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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: You want an EV but have doubts...
« Last post by Toptek on September 30, 2024, 02:22:27 PM »I've been watching a number of youtube vids regarding the sales of EV cars. Now I am well aware of the caveats regarding online articles and hidden agendas, but there definitely seems to be something of an issue arising. Things which are perhaps skewing the statistics are the rules and penalties facing manufacturers leading to dealership pre-registrations which count as "sales" in order to get the reported numbers up.Interesting and insightful post. I'm in a position where I could manage with a relatively low to mid range EV due to the short trips and considered one in 2020. However, I decided to buy our 2018 Jazz which I suspect I will have for a few more years as not wanting another outlay but your post might make me reconsider.
Of course politicians probably don't dig deep into such things and will just quote bare statistics which actually can be misleading.
We are also reaching the stage where many early adopters, businesses etc, will be reaching the end of the 3 yr contracts typically used, so a big increase in used EVs reaching the market is being seen. Bottom line is that there are a lot of zero miles (or as good as) pre-reg cars, some maybe a year or two old, being heavily discounted in order to try to shift them, suppressing the used car prices, plus the swell of used car availability further pressuring prices, and not many people wanting to buy either.
Youtube vids by dealers suggest that there are many used EVs being put up for sale where they have had maybe 3 owners in 2 years, each keeping the car for just a few months. That's not really normal for ICE vehicles. The suggestion is that it is EV owners finding that it doesn't suit them and they want to move back to ICE. Sales of hybrids however seem to be more robust, perhaps suiting real world consumer needs better at the moment.
The big issue is whether the market is actually sustainable. Perhaps it is and the youtubers are wrong in their representation, but I'll be interetsed to see how it all pans out over the next year or two, and also how it affects the sales of new and used ICE cars.
One upside for the consumer of course is that if you do want a low miles EV you can get some real bargains, to the point where you might almost find someone willing to pay you to take one away, dealers are apparently not even prepared to offer any trade in price for used EVs when they have a park full of them already, they just don't want any more examples on the forecourt.
Things are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.
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Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - / Re: Mk4 issues
« Last post by shufty on September 30, 2024, 02:21:44 PM »...In the middle of the day you are not going to get dazzled but as that isn't the topic and as I keep saying it's nothing to do with that as I still use the 'handbrake' at junctions if I'm not moving in a timely fashion.
You keep going on about those behind so I see you're not getting the point.
Do as you wish
I give up, some people are so set in their ways. I realise some of you have been driving years before many of us were born but we have moved on. Cars have moved on.
I don't understand why some of you have bought a car with so many things on it that you switch of or just don't use. Seems a waste of money. Glad it's not mine
You keep going on about those behind so I see you're not getting the point.
Do as you wish
I give up, some people are so set in their ways. I realise some of you have been driving years before many of us were born but we have moved on. Cars have moved on.
I don't understand why some of you have bought a car with so many things on it that you switch of or just don't use. Seems a waste of money. Glad it's not mine
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Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 / Re: Removal of rear 4 spark plugs, advice please.
« Last post by degzi on September 30, 2024, 02:21:36 PM »You just undo the coils and connectors.
A good tip is undo the sparkplugs and if they don't easily come up just pop a cloth over the top and crank the engine for a second. They shoot up and get caught usually. And as a bonus any crap gets blown up out of the holes too.
A good tip is undo the sparkplugs and if they don't easily come up just pop a cloth over the top and crank the engine for a second. They shoot up and get caught usually. And as a bonus any crap gets blown up out of the holes too.
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Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 / Re: Brake Piston Won't go back enough when changing Pads/rotors
« Last post by degzi on September 30, 2024, 02:19:03 PM »Even with a wind back tool they can be really hard to wind in.
Expect them to need replacing again in a few years. Really should have drums at the back end.
Expect them to need replacing again in a few years. Really should have drums at the back end.
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Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - / Re: Mk4 issues
« Last post by Kremmen on September 30, 2024, 02:04:12 PM »In my book it's all a matter of courtesy to the vehicle occupants behind...Nothing to do with being courteous to others behind and not dazzling them.
It is to me, I don't like it with 3 high intensity LED's so I don't do it to others
But, it's there, so if you like it and don't care about those behind then use it
..... and if you see another Jazz who's pulled up about a car and a half length behind it could be me
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Dealers & Insurance / PCP Extention Anyone?
« Last post by R2D3 on September 30, 2024, 12:22:34 PM »Has anyone successfully extended the term of their PCP when it expires?
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: You want an EV but have doubts...
« Last post by embee on September 30, 2024, 11:31:03 AM »I've been watching a number of youtube vids regarding the sales of EV cars. Now I am well aware of the caveats regarding online articles and hidden agendas, but there definitely seems to be something of an issue arising. Things which are perhaps skewing the statistics are the rules and penalties facing manufacturers leading to dealership pre-registrations which count as "sales" in order to get the reported numbers up.
Of course politicians probably don't dig deep into such things and will just quote bare statistics which actually can be misleading.
We are also reaching the stage where many early adopters, businesses etc, will be reaching the end of the 3 yr contracts typically used, so a big increase in used EVs reaching the market is being seen. Bottom line is that there are a lot of zero miles (or as good as) pre-reg cars, some maybe a year or two old, being heavily discounted in order to try to shift them, suppressing the used car prices, plus the swell of used car availability further pressuring prices, and not many people wanting to buy either.
Youtube vids by dealers suggest that there are many used EVs being put up for sale where they have had maybe 3 owners in 2 years, each keeping the car for just a few months. That's not really normal for ICE vehicles. The suggestion is that it is EV owners finding that it doesn't suit them and they want to move back to ICE. Sales of hybrids however seem to be more robust, perhaps suiting real world consumer needs better at the moment.
The big issue is whether the market is actually sustainable. Perhaps it is and the youtubers are wrong in their representation, but I'll be interetsed to see how it all pans out over the next year or two, and also how it affects the sales of new and used ICE cars.
One upside for the consumer of course is that if you do want a low miles EV you can get some real bargains, to the point where you might almost find someone willing to pay you to take one away, dealers are apparently not even prepared to offer any trade in price for used EVs when they have a park full of them already, they just don't want any more examples on the forecourt.
Things are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.
Of course politicians probably don't dig deep into such things and will just quote bare statistics which actually can be misleading.
We are also reaching the stage where many early adopters, businesses etc, will be reaching the end of the 3 yr contracts typically used, so a big increase in used EVs reaching the market is being seen. Bottom line is that there are a lot of zero miles (or as good as) pre-reg cars, some maybe a year or two old, being heavily discounted in order to try to shift them, suppressing the used car prices, plus the swell of used car availability further pressuring prices, and not many people wanting to buy either.
Youtube vids by dealers suggest that there are many used EVs being put up for sale where they have had maybe 3 owners in 2 years, each keeping the car for just a few months. That's not really normal for ICE vehicles. The suggestion is that it is EV owners finding that it doesn't suit them and they want to move back to ICE. Sales of hybrids however seem to be more robust, perhaps suiting real world consumer needs better at the moment.
The big issue is whether the market is actually sustainable. Perhaps it is and the youtubers are wrong in their representation, but I'll be interetsed to see how it all pans out over the next year or two, and also how it affects the sales of new and used ICE cars.
One upside for the consumer of course is that if you do want a low miles EV you can get some real bargains, to the point where you might almost find someone willing to pay you to take one away, dealers are apparently not even prepared to offer any trade in price for used EVs when they have a park full of them already, they just don't want any more examples on the forecourt.
Things are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.
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Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - / Re: Mk4 issues
« Last post by Lord Voltermore on September 30, 2024, 09:56:59 AM »I am a great fan of brake hold ,when it is appropriate to use it. Which in my opinion is most of the time.
But I dont think there should be an option in settings so it is 'always on' at start up .
Its very easy to select or deselect brake hold . And by having to do so ,each and every driver who uses the car will be reminded that they have deliberately chosen to use a function that may not be appropriate in all circumstances.
But I dont think there should be an option in settings so it is 'always on' at start up .
Its very easy to select or deselect brake hold . And by having to do so ,each and every driver who uses the car will be reminded that they have deliberately chosen to use a function that may not be appropriate in all circumstances.
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Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - / Re: Mk4 issues
« Last post by shufty on September 29, 2024, 09:24:39 PM »In my book it's all a matter of courtesy to the vehicle occupants behind...Nothing to do with being courteous to others behind and not dazzling them.
We're not talking about night time driving just the convenience and safety of brake hold being on before you put on the electronic handbrake.
You don't need it if you are only stopping for a short while, so your hand shouldn't have to leave the steering wheel to activate the 'handbrake' and it would stop you from having to look down for it if you needed to anyway.
I can't see why people are against using it as it's a safety feature that works well.
I use it all the time obviously but it doesn't stop me using the 'handbrake' at all.
It's not a one or the other situation.
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Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - / Re: Mk4 issues
« Last post by Hicardo on September 29, 2024, 09:03:33 PM »If I was behind me, it wouldn't bother me 
