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ianhj

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DIY Spark Plug change & Valve Clearance Adjustment
« on: April 23, 2016, 01:42:17 PM »
I’ve been reading the forum for the last year so I thought I should recount my recent experience of changing the spark plugs and checking the valve clearances on our 2010 Si.

We bought the car second hand in May of last year when it had 35,900 miles on the clock along with two main dealer services and three independent.   I plan on doing all future maintenance on the car as when we part exchanged our old one we got nothing more for a garage service history (well as much as I am able to without specialist tools and equipment). Previously we had a 2004 SE for 11 years from new.

I'm no mechanic but have courtesy of the Internet learnt how to service cars and change disk brakes and pads etc.

As the car was coming up to six years old and despite only having 43,500 miles on the clock I thought I'd change the plugs as well as the usual oil/air/pollen filters. This then got me thinking that perhaps I should do the valve clearances as well (though to be fair I don't think they were ever done during the 117,000 miles that we did in our old car despite paying for it!).

As you need to remove the wipers and windscreen cowl to get access to the plugs, I thought there seems little point in doing them separately.

Usual provisos apply ie if following any of this you do so at your own risk.

With the help of this link

http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-generation-ge8-specific-diy-repair-maintenance-sub-forum/75306-diy-valve-clearance-check-2.html

and this link for the torque values/valve clearances

http://hondafitjazz.com/manual3/


and the purchase of these clips

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-MOULDING-CLIP-8mm-OEM-90602-TAO-003-Pack-of-20-/321604385341

and a long extension bar set to turn the crank over

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/pro-55-5-pce-1-2in-drive-ext-wobble-b/

and finally a set of these bent feeler  gauges (as they cover the whole range)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Laser-2482-Feeler-Blades-Offset/dp/B0039UPVWK/ref=sr_1_sc_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1461414686&sr=1-2-spell&keywords=laser+offset+feler

I purchased all of the service parts except for the oil from Cox Motor Parts.

I haven't been able to insert the photos in the correct paragraphs but hopefully they will make sense - fingers crossed. You will need to be logged in to view them.

It took me around an hour to remove everything to enable me to do the plugs and the valves. Firstly I marked the position of the wipers on the windscreen with masking tape to make refitting a doddle.

Next came the problem of removing the wiper arms from the spindles.  After spraying a little penetrating oil I then improvised with two cable ties to form two loops to help pull the arms up and off without damaging the plastic cowl or the metal arms. I hope you can make them out in the photo.

I then removed the two black plastic pins at either side of the engine bay that hold the cowl down. An interior trim removal tool makes this relatively easy.

Removing the main cowl was what concerned me the most but with a bit of gentle prying up (from the windscreen side) I was able to pop off all of the fittings (breaking one in the process and white stressing another).  The clips on the engine bay side then come off by gently pulling the cowl forward. See photo

I also removed the much smaller cover that goes a little way up the windscreen on the drivers side (UK). Again there's another black plastic pin to remove from the engine bay. The cover is removed from the top down. Firstly depress the top and gently pull it across the windscreen which should release a rubber pad and then gently pry the cover up working  towards the bottom. The white clip should pop off then it's just a case of wriggling it out. See photos.

Removing the wiper motor and metal cowl beneath was very straightforward. See the links for more info.

With all this out of the way there is reasonable access to the coil packs and the spark plugs. However as I was going to do the valve clearances as well I removed the air filter box (no need to remove or even loosen the battery or its carrier). Undo the throttle body, remove the inlet manifold and finally the valve cover. All of this is straightforward and very well described in the fit freaks link above. I just put all of the bolts etc in different old ice cream cartons to make sure I didn't mislay/misplace anything on reassembly.

I removed the coil packs and the plugs to make turning over the engine easier. I then covered the spark plug openings to make sure no dirt etc dropped inside them.

I was nervous about checking the valve clearances as I've not done it since I had a motorbike over 30 years ago.

With a long extension bar  all you need to do is turn your wheels all the way over to the right to gain access to a star shaped hole in the plastic wheel arch liner (RHS) which lets you access the crank.  Obviously at this stage you can't start the engine but the wheels will turn. Alternatively put them in this position before dismantling anything. Always turn the crank clockwise!

To start off I made sure I could identify the cylinder markings/numbers on the crank/timing chain wheel.  I then checked all of the valve clearances without adjusting any of them to get an idea of what they all felt like.  Armed with this I then repeated the job but this time tried to fit the next size up feeler gauge into the respective gap ie the one above the manufactures recommendation. If it fitted I then adjusted the valve to where it wouldn't but the next size, one or two down, would  thereby giving the correct manufacture's tolerance. By my reckoning I thought I could not do any damage this way. Do check the firing order: its in the online manual link above.

None of them where out by very much. From memory six or seven were which where mostly on the exhaust side. I think I adjusted a couple of inlet ones. Once I had done this I then went through the process of going through them all again just to double check. Finally I then tightened all the locking nuts to the correct torque.

After replacing the plugs I then reassembled everything (including a couple of dabs of Hondabond on the cylinder head, cleaning the throttle body with a bit of carburettor cleaner and replacing the two damaged clips) making sure everything was torqued to the correct specification. I was able to reuse the valve head cover gasket. Make sure you also replace all hoses (they are all air - no coolant) including the one on the back of the valve cover, reconnect all electrical connectors etc. It pays to be methodical and have no distractions. I have to admit here I forgot to connect the wiper motor electrical connector!! So had to remove the cowl a second time - very frustrating but worth passing on.

In total this took me almost five hours on top of the previous hour of disassembling everything so set aside a whole day. It's a straightforward job that I would now happily do again though am thankful I won't need to for at least another six years!

Then the  moment of truth! The car fired up and sounded just as before. Well to be fair my wife thinks the car is smoother - probably just the fresh oil. I think the engine is fractionally quieter on tick over. Only time will tell if the mpg is any better.

Am I pleased I did it and would I do it again? Yes though having done it I would say the spark plugs are capable of 60,000 miles (we run the car on Shell V power only because it's smoother than on regular). By then the valve clearances might be out a little more so I can see why Honda say do them at 75,000 miles.


Hopefully this article along with the links above will help any others of you out there looking at doing either of these jobs. 

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Re: DIY Spark Plug change & Valve Clearance Adjustment
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2016, 01:43:23 PM »
Here's a photo of the old spark plugs after 43,500 miles.

Also engine with everything removed and spark plug holes covered up

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Re: DIY Spark Plug change & Valve Clearance Adjustment
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2016, 03:20:11 PM »
Well done Ianhj, having tackled the dreaded cowl I would add, that I did NOT remove the wiper motor just removed the mounting bolts  BUT one of the mountings has a collar and I managed to drop it down under the engine. Pain to get out.
As I say well done and good photos but had I been more aware of the collar, it certainly saved time in not removing the wiper motor.

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Re: DIY Spark Plug change & Valve Clearance Adjustment
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2016, 08:00:19 PM »
Hi Auntyneddy,
Useful info - I didn't even think about not removing the motor. Suspect I was just following the Honda manual.  Interesting if it can be done without removing it. I'll know for 6 years time! Cheers

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Re: DIY Spark Plug change & Valve Clearance Adjustment
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2016, 02:28:40 PM »
Great stuff, well done and thanks for posting it.

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Re: DIY Spark Plug change & Valve Clearance Adjustment
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2016, 07:36:24 PM »
Interesting reading,  thanks for taking the time to post it all, must admit I tend no to worry about valve clearances as much as i used too.

After years of motorcycles with checking at recommended miles they very rarely needed much adjustment so i tend to stretch the period, at least they are screw and locknut, on the bikes we had to remove both camshafts and re shim

Guess i will check the plugs soon myself, mileage is only low but i dont know if they are platinum type long life

Again , thanks for the info

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Re: DIY Spark Plug change & Valve Clearance Adjustment
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2016, 07:52:19 PM »
thanks for the info, i have always thought it is a really bad design for plugs on the mk 2 and they moved them on the mk 3 and if they are going to hide them put push and turn D clips on and not flimsy plastic crap


seeing as you took the air box and valve cover off did you really need to remove the windscreen cowl as there should be enough room to get to the plugs at the same time

and for the people who say they last for 75k so what is the problem? i say i would like the plugs at the front so i can check the rubber seals on the rocker cover are still of and not leaking oil into the spark plug tubes

i suppose having the engine the wrong way round compared to my civic and every other car i have owned is to get the exhaust down and around the fuel tank, but they could have done it like they did on the mk3

they even have space on the honda brio with the same engine i have in my jazz and that is a smaller car!

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Re: DIY Spark Plug change & Valve Clearance Adjustment
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2016, 08:47:56 PM »
I think you would need small hands to change the spark plugs without removing the cowl.

I agree nice if you don't have to though having done it the once I think it would only take 15 mins to remove it again as I know now exactly what to do.

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