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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 => Honda Jazz Mk2 FAQ => Topic started by: ThomP on October 28, 2009, 02:44:48 PM
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Hi
Since the tires on the Exclusive/EX is quite rare as discussed in another thread, I was wondering if 195/50-R16 would fit the original rims and if they would be legal?
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Edit by RichardA, 16 Dec 2012:
Read on if your 2008-on Honda Jazz EX (and Si?) with Dunlop SP2030 tyres and 16" wheels suffers from the following problems:
- Uneven tyre wear on inside edge of tyre
- Cracking between the treads
- Trouble in finding replacement 185/55R16 tyres
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Thanks for raising this problem - I have been "advised" that changing the size of the tyres could raise issues with insurance - also that it could upset the various settings in the "balance" of the ABS etc.
Anyone know the true facts? ???
I had thought of 190 x 55 x 16 could give more choice
Computer telling me "service due" 9000 miles with 500 miles to go - at this rate my prepaid service won't last 5 years :(
My EX i-shift now loosened up & an enjoyable drive & now seems a very good buy at November 08 prices ;D
Happy Jazzing
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Not sure what changing the size would do to the ishift, as we had a puncture on the drivers side rear on Saturday and replaced the wheel with our spare from our old jazz 15" rim. After putting this on the ishift would not work correctly when changing up, it would hold the gears and would not change above gear 3 without manual intervention. When we put the new tire on (£115 later) the ishift worked correctly again.
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I understand the factory fitted Bridgestone 185/55/R16 tyres are currently out of stock at UK dealers/tyre dealers/warehouses. My first front set have lasted 23k miles. But Dunlops and Continental do the same size, at pretty much the same price, and are available now. I think I'm going to try the Dunnies on mine :)
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My GE Jazz had Dunlop tyres fitted by the factory. Perhaps that is standard on the EX model?
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I bought my GE Jazz EX back in June 2009. It came fitted with the Bridgstones. Perhaps Honda are using a differnet brand/supplier?
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Hi, just wondered if any EX owners have had problems finding tyres in an emergency? I know you can get them online, but limited choice. I just wondered if because they are obviously not such a popular tyre size then do normal high street garages tend to stock them?
thanks
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Not needed to look yet. I'll have to ask to see whether Costco carries them (not the cheapest, by a long way).
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Kwik-Fit have a deal on at the moment, Continenetal tyres @£69.30 per tyre if you book and pay on-line. I assume this includes fitting etc..
National Tyres (who i usually use for any tyres) are:
Bridgestone @ £102.84 per tyre (inc fitting)
Dunlop @ £105.12 per tyre (inc fitting)
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New tyres tend to be a distress purchase (puncture or blow-out) or a routine one due to wear. I doubt many GE Jazz owners are near to having worn out their factory-fitted tyres yet.
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I had to pay kwik fit well over 100 quid last sept. The cheapest i can find now is with E-tyres
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Not needed to look yet. I'll have to ask to see whether Costco carries them (not the cheapest, by a long way).
I checked that already and they don't, because they only sell Michelin and they don't make that size in any tyre model.
I emailed Michelin about it and they said they keep an eye on demand for other tyre sizes so I'm hoping they'll add it.
I'm annoyed Honda have used a relatively unusual size - seems there are only 2 or 3 manufacturers so the tyres are dear.
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Go for 205/50/16 tyres - same rolling radius as 185/55/55 but cheaper and wider range. Obviously you should only fit a matched pair front or rear. For a cheap spare, better than space saver or tin of gloop, buy a 14" steel wheel (I got a brand new one for £5 of ebay) and fit a 175/70/14 tyre. Note you will need different (steel wheel) wheel nuts for the spare, as the nuts for alloy wheels have different taper.
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Thanks for info
Will 175/70/14 tyre(& wheel) fit in the 'wheel well' ?
also tip that I will need wheel nuts
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Yes - wheel fits into the well easily. A 185/70/14 has an even closer rolling diameter to the 185/55/16 tyre but may be a little wide for depth of the spare wheel well. If I can remember I will check the car over the weekend and see if the 185 would fit.
Honda will sell you a set of 4 steel wheel nuts for about £18, but I got a good set off a Civic from a breakers yard for £1. I am pretty sure any make of steel wheel nut should be OK (there is probably ans ISO Standard covering this) as the steel wheel nuts from my Mk1 Escort appear identical. However, as I wanted to be sure I didn't have a wheel fall off I got the Honda ones just to make sure.
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Morning all...
I have a 2009 EX 1.4, which needs a new front pair of boots. I was very impressed with the Avon ZZ3s on my Saab 9-5, and wanted to put them on my Jazz, but they don't do them in Jazz sizes (185/55/16). What recommendations do you have? I prefer grip (especially wet) to mileage (I do 8,000 miles max a year, but drive rather hard), and am not adverse to changing tyre size so long as I do not compromise safety.
Thanks
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can we use 205/50/16 instead of 185/55/16
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I am a big fan of Michelin and they are always my first choice of tyre.
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Due to a major tracking (alignment) error caused by my sliding the car into a kerb in the December snow, I had front tyres with minimal tread on the inside edge of the tyre. Shopping around, I found that I had only two choices: replace the original Dunlop tyres with exact replacements or to get some Continentals. There wasn't much difference in the price. As my rear tyres were barely legal too, I decided to replace the lot with (hopefully) harder wearing Continentals. I also got the tracking fixed at the same time (not worth it putting on new tyres if I didn't). The cost was £350 for the four tyres and £40 for the alignment.
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can we use 205/50/16 instead of 185/55/16
There are almost the same size (0,2%) so I guess, yes but what will you gain?
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can we use 205/50/16 instead of 185/55/16
There are almost the same size (0,2%) so I guess, yes but what will you gain?
Believe me its almost impossible to find a 185 55 16 tyre here. Only you can find bridgestone ER370 (already stock tyres) on order and some stupid korean or chinese tyres .
But 205 50 16 is commoner, you can find them from well known brands.
believe me again but 205 50 16 is far more cheap than 185 55 16 here..
wider tyres look nicer IMO.
Finally im no expert but I think wider tyres increase high speed stability and cornering stability ..Am I right?
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Believe me its almost impossible to find a 185 55 16 tyre here. Only you can find bridgestone ER370 (already stock tyres) on order and some stupid korean or chinese tyres .
But 205 50 16 is commoner, you can find them from well known brands.
believe me again but 205 50 16 is far more cheap than 185 55 16 here..
But can you put 205/50/16 on 16J alloys?
wider tyres look nicer IMO.
True (I even have 175/65/15 :-X)
Finally im no expert but I think wider tyres increase high speed stability and cornering stability ..Am I right?
Generaly I agree but I don't believe this would be the case with Jazz, at least not much. But wider tyres (and bigger alloys) will reduce jazz mpg economy.
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Believe me its almost impossible to find a 185 55 16 tyre here. Only you can find bridgestone ER370 (already stock tyres) on order and some stupid korean or chinese tyres .
But 205 50 16 is commoner, you can find them from well known brands.
believe me again but 205 50 16 is far more cheap than 185 55 16 here..
But can you put 205/50/16 on 16J alloys?
This is the point I forgot...ill search this
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Formula 1 Autocentre: Dunlop Fast Response £85 each. Continentals the same price. Fully fitted.
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Below is a bit of reaserching I have done on tyre prices as a rough guide the load index varies between 83 aand 87.
185x55x16R H 83 Original size
Company Tyre Make H/V Rated Price each £
Black Circles
Continental Contact 2 V 94.79
Bridgestone ER370 V 96.93
Yokohama C Drive V 85.53
Bridgestone ER370 H 96.93
eTyres
Bridgestone ER300 V 84.3
Falken ZE912 V 84.9
Continental Contact 2 V 104
Continental Contact 2 H 100.2
Dunlop SP2030 H 100.9
Tyre Shopper
Continental Contact Premium H 87
Bridgestone ER370 H 91
Dunlop SP2030 H 87
Dunlop Sport Maxx H 88
Dunlop SP Fast response H 105
Yokohama C Drive V 87
Continental Contact Premium V 94.9
Dunlop SP Fast response V 101
Kwik Fit
Continental Contact Premium H 81.7
Mobi Tyres
Continental Contact Premium H 81.78
ATS
Continental Contact Premium H 95.96
Pirelli H 99.96
My Tyres
Dunlop SP2030 H 93.11
Hi Q
Dunlop SP2030 H 88.63
Dunlop SP Fast response H 89.7
Tyre Express
Dunlop SP Fast response H 87.38
Continental Contact Premium H 88.25
Bridgestone ER370 H 90.37
National Tyres
Dunlop SP2030 H 99.16
Continental Contact Premium H 99.16
Yokohama C Drive V 93.36
Continental Contact 2 V 108.32
Dunlop SP Fast response V 115.4
Formula 1
Dunlop SP Fast response V 85
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I am a big fan of Michelin and they are always my first choice of tyre.
They don't do any model of tyre in the 185/55/16 size needed.
Our Jazz has Dunlop SP2030's and they seem fine.
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First service almost due and at almost one year/8500 miles car is... almost perfect. Very pleased with it. However...
The WINDSCREEN WIPERS have a 'mechanical buzzing' noise within their mechanism. Was intermittent - some days there, other days not at all. Increasingly constant now and loud enough to be annoying at 'around town' speeds.
INSIDE EDGE FRONT TYRES: The inside edge/shoulder - just the first inch - of the original fit Dunlops is wearing at about double the rate of the rest of the tread. Passenger side tyre not as bad as driver's side, but still not good. The rest of the tread and outer edges of both tyres are wearing as I'd expect - evenly and no sign of scrubbing.
Anyone with a 2009/2010 Jazz with noisy windscreen wiper mechanism? (It's not noisy blade on glass.)
Or uneven front tyre wear as described above? If so, what was the outcome under warranty?
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INSIDE EDGE FRONT TYRES: The inside edge/shoulder - just the first inch - of the original fit Dunlops is wearing at about double the rate of the rest of the tread. Passenger side tyre not as bad as driver's side, but still not good. The rest of the tread and outer edges of both tyres are wearing as I'd expect - evenly and no sign of scrubbing.
That'll be the wheel tracking (alignment) that's out. It doesn't take much to do that: going over a proud manhole cover might do it, or taking a bad line over a speed cushion. Most tyre fitting workshops can realign the wheels for about £40-ish.
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My windscreen wiper have been fine- no noise whatsoever, and I have been using that A LOT recently with the crappy weather we've been having.
As for the tyre wear- take it to your local garage that has wheel tracking (alignment) facilities as suggested by IvyTek as it sounds like your tracking is out.
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Thanks for your replies. Overall, I can only describe this little car as magnificent.
Yeah, I'm aware that tracking/alignment can be knocked out of line as nowster describes. However I'm pretty certain nothing has been 'hit' hard enough to do that and I'm among the most conservative of drivers over speed bumps/cushions.
I'm also aware that, on any car, front wheel alignment can be set to enhance certain handling/cornering and steering characteristics. There have been some reports of Jazz/'Fit' (in some overseas markets) wandering at the straight-ahead requiring constant small twitching of the steering wheel to maintain the line. A slight adjustment to front wheel alignment can resolve this... at the expense of tyre wear.
It may well be that alignment has taken a 'knock' as nowster suggests in which case I'll just have to 'wear' it. £40 to fix it is no big deal, but if the car wanders off line after that...
So I'm wondering if others have front tyres wearing unduly on the first half to one inch on the inside edge...
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had the tyre problem with a previous new car , after 8000 miles both front tyres were worn same as you described . took it back to dealer and they fixed the tracking and halved me for the price of 2 new tyres .
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INSIDE EDGE FRONT TYRES: The inside edge/shoulder - just the first inch - of the original fit Dunlops is wearing at about double the rate of the rest of the tread.
Yep, the same. After 30k km there is more than 1 mm difference.
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Its funny how despite posting the above, i have never physically checked my own front tyre until recently and found that both my front tyres, the outside edge is wearing faster than the rest :o
Pretty sure my tracking is fine but will take it to my local garage tomorrow and check it out.
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Its funny how despite posting the above, i have never physically checked my own front tyre until recently and found that both my front tyres, the outside edge is wearing faster than the rest :o
Pretty sure my tracking is fine but will take it to my local garage tomorrow and check it out.
Hey Gary, and I'm pretty sure what they will told you ;D
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Had the first service today at 6100miles and have been told that the front tyres are worn out and should be replaced.
They are Dunlop SP 185/55R16 83H and are worn down to the legal limit on the outside edges. The middle of the tread shows 4mm remaining, with 3mm on the inner edges.
I am assured that there is no fault with the tracking.
Even the rear tyre seem to have worn heavily since both edges are worn to 4mm, with 6mm in the middle.
Would there be any merit in complaining to Dunlop, or must I regard this life as normal? certainly in fifty odd years of motoring, I've not experienced this before.
Alternatively, can members offer any advice regarding alternative makes of tyre, as quite obviously I shall not be replacing them with Dunlop.
Regards.
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Complain to Dunlop? Might be worthwhile as 6100 miles is unduly short life. At 12500 miles (first A-service) my Dunlops 175/65R15 were measured as... fronts 4/5/4mm across the tread, rears 5/6/6mm.
I'd say, despite what Honda assert, your fronts might suggest a tracking issue... too much toe-in. By 12500 miles, both my front Dunlops had excess wear on the very inside edge... not noted by the technician's measurements. Too much toe-out. Honda technician asserted 'tracking OK' but, as said, he hadn't noted the markedly excess wear of just one inch width round the very inside edge of both tyres. I had the tracking checked and then adjusted by an independent tyre fitter while I watched and tyres 'rotated'. £26... Honda quoted £45 for the tracking alone; it's not a warranty item - understandably. Though I'd swear my GE Jazz had never been kerbed or hit an unduly large pothole to knock tracking out of whack. I don't normally rotate my tyres because, for safety, I prefer best tread always on the rear but I want to see what happens to my now reasonably evenly worn fronts before renewing them. And we are moving - hopefully - into drier weather/drier roads.
Your rear tyres? The wear on both outside edges you have described sounds like the classic symptom of a tad underinflation.
New tyres? I have seen Culzean recommend Michelin Energy Savers on this forum because they are 'quiet'. I've had them on my cars previously and like them for that, good ride, pretty good all weather grip... and for slow wear.
In my Honda dealer the other day, I noticed a new Jazz in the showroom was Michelin Energy Saver shod. Michelins can be had from Costco at a very good price... Mytyres online worth considering, too.
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I have more than 47k km on my counter and still first set of summer (Michelin energy saver)and winter (some Dunlop) tyres. Will see when I swap between sets if winter set is still ok. As I can see it should be.
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After 19000 miles in a 1.4 ES manual, my Dunlop 175/65's were measured as 5mm front and 6mm rear on the full width.
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6K is too short a life , so ask the dealer to recheck alignment.
Certainly go to Dunlop customer care and seek thier views.
Are you amember of motoring org ? if so ask for their input.
Finally do you drive over a lot of road humps as these saftey measure cause premature wear.
As regards replacemtns try Blackcirlces.com - now via Tesco or mytyres.co.uk
I replaced the Bridgestones with Michelin - improved ride etc etc but at 25-28k.
Let's know how you get on
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I recently had my ES 2nd service at just over 12k miles and my front tyres were 2/3/2mm and was recommended that they need to be changed at £75 a corner. The rear were 5/6/5 mm.
I had noticed that the front outer edger were pretty worned but I had a laser wheel alignment check and all was well and good but I do know that the GE has some toe (not sure in or out) to help with cornering (its actually on one of the videos posted on the forum.
I can only imagine this was the reason for mine.
As for you, I would definitely get the wheel alignement checked out as they should wear down that quickly at 6,100 miles!
Gary
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Really does sound like serious underinflation on all 4 and tracking problems with front.
You should get a minimum of 25000 miles.
On my CR-V I experienced outer edge wear on the fronts. Had them laser checked at Kwik-fit who said it was all OK. Very good of them not to charge me! When I asked them what could be the alternative explanation they simply said "you get this sometimes with heavier cars caused by cornering"
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I replaced the original Dunlops with Continentals at 18 months old (about 16,000 miles). The fronts I'd kerbed (slid sideways on packed snow), but the rears were getting low too. The Continentals seem to be wearing much less.
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Hi Lads
Many thanks for the replies so far and this is an update on the current situation.
I took the car this morning to a well known local independent tyre company to have the Tracking checked.
The equipment they use is a brand new laser system which checks all 4 wheels and gives a printout of the results and I specifically asked them to check but not adjust.
The Honda handbook states that the Toe-in should be 0.0 +/- 3.0mm.
The Laser system quotes the specification in degrees and specifies 0.0° +/-3.24°.
The results obtained indicate that the front wheels are Toeing in -3.41°, which I think matches the wear pattern on the tyres. All other dimensions were within specification. It cost me £18
I then returned to my Honda dealer and discussed the results. They have now booked the car in for further investigation in a couple of weeks time, to check and adjust as necessary. Discussions will then follow on what to do about the existing tyres!
One or two of the members seem to suggest low inflation as part of the cause, but I can only say that the pressures are to specification. Whether there would be any benefit in slightly over-inflating, I'm not sure.
In the meantime I would welcome any further information that members can offer regarding the sort of tyre life that they get.
Best regards
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Thanks for feeding back.
Noddy point really but are you confident about your pressure gauge? Eg, I wouldn't trust one of those gauges attached to foot pumps.
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I normally run the front 3 - 4 psi higher than recommended. Usually had around 30K for a set of fronts and not had to replace rears yet before car goes. Have noticed however reading tyre wear issues that low mileage cars seem to suffer wear at low mileages?, I'm covering about 25000 miles per year.
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I mainly driving on a motorway and therefore I set my tyres pressure to the max. value on the sticker (for the motorway speed recommended this, doesn`t matter how many people is in the car).
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Hi,
i run a 1200 on an 05 plate. I have just replaced the rear tyres with Michelins to match the front. One of the rear tyres was an original Yoko :o and was still legal apart from side wall crazing, recorded milage is 71,000 on a 6 year old car and I am the second owner. A lot of town driving will cause faster wear than distance as will driving style,
regards,
Chris
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Hi Lads, a further update.
The car went in this morning for attention to the tracking and tyres and I have to thank Avonvale-Honda in Solihull, West Midlands for their actions.
The tracking has been corrected and 2 new Dunlop SP tyres, (the same as the original equipment) fitted at no cost to myself. Even had free loan car, whilst the work was being done.
All in all, I think a satisfactory conclusion to the problem and it has restored my confidence in Honda service.
Many thanks to all the members that contributed to this Post.
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Kenneve... That's great news! Pleased for you and good to hear your Honda dealer stood by you.
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Good news Kenneve.......
Congrates and its good that your honda is with you.
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Today the Ford Company has announced that the new Ford Fiesta will be produced at the Cuautitlán Assembly Plant starting in early 2010 (Cuautitlán is a city and in Mexico State). They also announced that a sporty European hatchback will be added for production to the North American lineup alongside this popular mini.
The plan for the new Ford Fiesta will be a bolder and more sophisticated design, so that it would be enough to exceed other cars in its category. Ford added that it will also be improved in terms of performance, design and fuel efficiency. Overall, “small cars sales have grown from 23 million units in 2002 to an estimated 38 million 2012” that is why ford is very much eager to release a new and much improved version of the fiesta.
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Will this new Ford Fiesta offer anywhere near the all-round versatility, utility and, therefore, value of the Honda Jazz aka 'Fit' in some markets? Anytime I travel hunched with tight head and legroom in the back seat of my neighbour's 2010 Fiesta... or see his car with back seats down for 'max' boot space... I am reminded of why I bought Jazz having assessed the Fiesta.
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Hello - new boy! I've just been told that my 18 month old 1.4 running Dunlop SP Sports 185 / 55 / 16 are bald at 13000 miles - and thats even bald across the entire tread pattern! My wife has averaged 51 mpg since new, driving 20 miles per day to the park to walk dog - Mrs Clarkson would be proud of her. The car has been fully Honda "loved up" and tyres pressures checked religiously. In addition Honda Thames Ditton have just checked tracking and geometry following my concerns and say everything is AOK.
I have spoken to Mr Fitzpatrick (customer services supervisor at Honda UK) and as far as he is concerned I'm the first person to ever raise any issue regarding undue tyre wear in the new Jazz or about these tyres (funny that because I can see a trend in the comments above), and better still states that 13,000 miles is a reasonable life for a premium tyre.
I don't know how he defines reasonable - but I also run an Aston Martin DB7 Vantage (430 BHP) on Yokohama racing compounds and this is the sort of tyre life they expect!! (and my tyres are only £280, as opposed to £120 each for the Jazz).
Point is this - does the new Jazz with 16 inch rims and SP's eat tyres? If so they should have fitted Conti's or more hard wearing compound from new. I'm going to be writing formally to the MD Honda UK - as I certainly do not think 13,000 miles from new is "merchantable quality" - 25,000 maybe.
Please provide me evidence of other owners of 2009 new Jazz with 16 inch wheels and Dunlop SP's. Incidentally a friendly Honda mechanic I know reports that they are now getting jazz'es just like mine in for tyres and that now they are fitting Continentals - wonder why!!!
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I don't know how he defines reasonable - but I also run an Aston Martin DB7 Vantage (430 BHP) on Yokohama racing compounds and this is the sort of tyre life they expect!! (and my tyres are only £280, as opposed to £120 each for the Jazz).
£120 each!!!
Dealership charged me £77 for a like-for-like replacement after a puncture!
Car is/was still on original tyres.
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Dunlop SP Sport 185 55 R16 is the 16inch alloy wheel on the EX-T 2010 top of the range 1.4 I've got (the one with panoramic sun roof and every toy in the book) - we paid this week £150 fitted at Kwik fit for a puncture replacement (Continental) and £110 is the cheapest anywhere on internet fitted etc - see ATS / Kwik fit etc. The issue is that the size is unusual, and is only made by Michelin, Bridgestone, Dunlop... not a Hang Kookk in sight.
As you can imagine I'm not impressed with 13,000 miles tyre life - and the attitude of Honda UK customer services was unbelievable. I've bought cars from auctions and had timing belts go and valves burn out and both Ford and Rover at the time immediately conceded that all was not well with the design of their cars and contributed 75% to repairs if not 100% - out of warranty / bought at auction / no actual responsibility - but both came across without asking. I've bought a Honda - at well over the odds and with no discount worth talking about because my wife wanted to be safe and secure and feeling looked after. The first warranty work for a door sill trim not stuck down properly resulted in weeks of taking the car to and from the garage, pictures, Honda UK getting involved and finally Honda dealer applying an inch of sticky tape! This latest encounter was in an alternative universe - 13,000 miles for front tyres to wear out on a car treated like a persian lap dog. Honda UK position - I buy new tyres (£240 the pair) , I get old tyres to the Honda garage, they send them to Dunlop for their opinion on whether they are OK - and if Dunlop say they are Ok Honda do nothing. Sounds like a very fair and reasonable approach to me, considering the car is under warranty and should in all respects be of merchantable quality - no way could that end up with Dunlop saying they are fine and Honda refusing to make an ex-gratia payment! Point is if Honda just say wear is reasonable - where does that end - clutch at 20,000 miles? Cat at 15,000?
You might have gathered this is not a good Honda Jazz week for me - thus far the Honda experience has simply not been worth the expense. I can report that BMW are also dreadful as well - but at least you expect to be ripped off and after while go to an alternative servicing outfit, lastly Aston Martin is superb and as I see you have just bought a new eco Jazz I can let you know that today you can pick up a very nice DB7 with full AM service history for about the same money you spent on the Jazz. Servicing £750 every 15,000 miles, insurance £600 for track days, full 12 month comprehensive european cover inc breakdown / recovery and business use. OK the Jazz is no BMW or Aston Martin - but it's no cheap runaround either - and thus one should expect it to be faultless.
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Everyone is told there are "the first one to ever have this problem" with cars. I agree that a tyre lifespan of 13k is unsatisfactory even for a set of made-in-China WAN KING branded budget tyres, never mind a premium brand like Dunlop.
And don't buy tyres from Honda dealers - always shop around with the online retailers and local fitters.
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I can report that BMW are also dreadful as well - but at least you expect to be ripped off and after while go to an alternative servicing outfit
BMW are the masters of stitch-up (wife has a MINI Cooper). They give with one hand (TLC service pack for instance), take with the other. Ask the guy on here with the 118d (Yammick), he will tell you the same.
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Thats why I buy from auctions and three years old - buying new is a mugs game and only done this time as I could buy it tax free and the wife wanted to emulate Mrs Clarkson (senior). The bloke above appears to be suggesting that the best can be extracted from the Jazz by nursing it around the streets lightly caressing the brake pedal in slippers!!
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Please provide me evidence of other owners of 2009 new Jazz with 16 inch wheels and Dunlop SP's. Incidentally a friendly Honda mechanic I know reports that they are now getting jazz'es just like mine in for tyres and that now they are fitting Continentals - wonder why!!!
We have same car, same tyres and the car has done 13K miles and there's little left in the front tyres. The rears aren't too clever either so it's not due to hard driving.
Car is mainly used around town and, to be honest, while 13K is not great, I don't think it's absolutely horrendous. One thing about the Dunlop tyres fitted is they didn't give a moments concern through the last two pretty hard winters, so I assume the compound is pretty soft.
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I might get 25k miles from Dunlop 175/65R15T stock fit on my 1.2GE SE. All four that is. At 19,500 miles now... some round town but also a lot of long distance motoring... checked occasionally for correct inflation. However at 12,500 miles I had an issue with excess wear just one inch around inside edges of the front tyres.
Tracking/alignment adjusted by an independent (at almost a third of Honda dealer's quote)... rotated front to rear for no extra charge. Dealer, unbelievably, had not noted the excess wear at service. I could swear that the front tyres were exhibiting that excess rate of wear on those inside edges from very earliest miles as if it was an assembly defect. Following adjustment, straight-line steering at speed was better. Noticeably less corrective input required.
I'd say that Dunlop SP31s 'aren't bad' and have a reasonable mix of dry, wet, summer/winter grip. Though I wonder whether some other brands of tyre might offer good all-round grip, wear longer and run more quietly. Anyone think Dunlops are a tad noisy? Or found generally better?
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Hope to get 24k miles out of my Dunlops on 09 EX i-shift (I love this gear box - I can play tunes on it! & it suits my driving style - lazy at times then press on aggressive but keeps her indoors happy as an automatic) 22k miles at the moment. Noticed inside edges of front tyres at 19k so changed round to rear. I had rotated tyres at 6k to even out wear all around and had no indication at that time of wear on inner edges.
Yes I would say the Dunlops are a tad noisy.
Will change all 4 for Continentals having been pleased with them on previous cars for noise wear & grip
Keep enjoying Jazz motoring
oui-oui
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I've been used to Jazz GDs for the last 3 cars where the fronts tended to last half the miles of the rears. Generally fronts lasted 15k & rears 30k. I wondering is this is still the case with the GE Jazz? it's an ES on 175/65 15s, OEM tyres Michelin Energy Savers, now on Conti winters.
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It should be on any front wheel drive cars the same.
The front wheels are pulling the car and at braking about 70% of the car`s weight is on the front too. This is why the fronts worn faster.
The handbook suggest in my GD Jazz to rotate the front and the rear tyres every 6000 miles to get evenly worn tyres and replaced them at the same time.
mod: So far I`ve 30000 miles in the tyres and about 15000 left. (ContiEcoContact3).
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ON the older GD models we were averaging 22k for Bridgestone/Goodyears having swopped around every 7k
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27,000 so far in our 2 year old GE ES manual. Tyres rotated each year at service. Plenty of mileage left!
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Also 27000 in a 3 year-old 1.4 GE manual. Dunlop SP37's, not rotated, and the fronts are getting near replacement. Plenty left in the rears.
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GE... 21,000 miles so far on Dunlop SP31's. All 4 will make 25,000 at least, I'm sure... despite alignment problem causing excess wear to just the very inside half-inch of fronts... aligned and switched to rear at 13,000. Fronts now show perfectly even wear.
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On our GE EX on 16" Dunlop SP2030's the rears have worn almost as quick as the fronts. There's about 3mm left on the fronts and 4-5mm on the rears. Only done 14K miles. From other threads seems similiar to other's experience with this model of car and tyre.
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Hi
Can anyone advise me on new tyres for my Jazz (185/55 16)? The original ones have only done 16500 miles but due to the age seem to be cracking up. Has any one else experienced this?
Also replacements seem to be hard to find and the one I have found is very expensive at £120 per tyre!.
Any information would be gratefully received.
Thanks
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I used eTyres (http://www.etyres.co.uk/) - £102 fitted for for a Dunlop (to match original tyres). They came and did the job at my home too!
Their prices seemed to match local tyre fitters but they come to the home, and they came spot-on to the agreed time.
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Local dealership has tried to sell me some expensive tyres as part of the "B" service. Current tread is 3mm-3.5mm and the wear has been even. I reckon I'll need some replacements in a couple of months. Bear in mind this is the odd size fitted to the EX's alloys.
Any suggestions? Last time I replaced the tyres, I got Continentals through Black Circles.
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I`d stick with Black Circles.
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why what size are they?
they will always be more expensive at the dealer than ats, national, etc so tell them to leave them
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Last Thursday, B2 service, and quoted £138.oo per tyre for Bridgestones, said No Thanks.
Checked online, for Dunlops, as fitted as originals, quoted on ValueTyres, at £82.oo per tyre, ordered them, then informed that they could not supply, but offerred, Continentals, which were £13.oo per tyre more expensive. But ValueTyres, provided them at same price as Dunlops.
Tyres now fitted and Tracking adjusted
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Plus what is the actual tread depth, not to the top of the TWI. I often get dealers say your tyre is this mm and I know it is 2mm more due to this little trick. Often they try and tell me tyres are shot when I know they are 5mm. If they have done that in the above case then there is 4.5mm to 5mm. Get a tread depth guage from Halfrauds & check them yourself. :D
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I fitted Hankook Ventus V12 evo. The reviews are good in terms of grip. The life may be limited but as I also run winter tyres they will effectively last twice as long.
They do seem to grip very well.
My local dealer (Britannia Tyres Coventry) was cheaper than all the online discount places.
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Your safety depends upon the footprint of the tyres, I would stick to a make you recognise with correct EU markings and speed rating.
Try mytyres.co.uk for 2 or 4 tyres
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Plus what is the actual tread depth, not to the top of the TWI.
Good advice! I'll make a rough check with a coin, a thumb and a ruler.
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The current tyres are Continental Premium Contact 185/55 R16 H (87).
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I've just replaced my front Dunlop SP2030 185/55/R16 83H tyres with the same after 25,000 miles. The fitters (Event Tyres in Old Trafford) didn't have them in stock but ordered them on Friday and were delivered by Monday lunchtime. £88 each fitted.
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£231 for four tyres fitted and balanced. (Hankook Ventus V12 evo)
So far very impressed with them.
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£57.75 :o each with fitting and balance, what a bargain, bet you don't live near me [essex] so i can get some
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Have you ever tried, Blackcircles, etyres or other online tyre shops?
You could save a lot (go for the fully fitted prices).
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Honda Dealers must have a deal with Bridgestone as after my second service yesterday ,and only 10,000 miles, they said my front tyres were down to 3mm :o They quoted me £137 each. They said the Dunlops were wearing out quickly on the EX models.
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Don't get me started on Honda Dealers............
As for the tyre question, I think it's important to remember that we're talking here about a family hatchback being driven moderately, safely and thoughtfully (hopefully) on the public highway, not a sports car being raced around a track. After 40 years of driving around in a large variety of cars on a wide variety of tyres, with not a single tyre-related accident or incident, I really can't see that there's any valid reason not to just get the cheapest 'budget' tyre that matches or exceeds the manufacturer's rating from somewhere like Black Circles. All new tyres sold by reputable dealers (and that obviously includes the likes of BC) are safe - they have to be - and within the context that we're talking about, the difference between a budget tyre and a premium tyre in terms of grip, noise, longevity etc is likely to be for all practical purposes negligible, certainly not enough to justify the significant extra cost of the premium item. The budget tyre is not 'cheap' - the premium tyre is unnecessarily expensive, and relies a lot on the 'bulls**t factor' and the aggressive sales tactics of main dealers for its sales.
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You guys seem to pay a lot for your tyres. Here there are many large tyre dealers who advertise a lot on TV and it is well to steer clear of them, unless you want the "free" bottles of wine, cinema tickets or steakhouse vouchers they give away :'(
There are also numerous tyre discounters and many of these import their tyres from China and Korea since the duty on tyres is only 5%
Examples in £ (using the 175/65 R15 size as a guide), taken off a newspaper advert today
Barum - 40.00 (All new Hyundai cars are fitted with these)
Hankook - 45.00
Michelin eco drive - 60.00
Continental (made in SA) - 55.00
Chery (Chinese) - 38.00
Dunlop (made in SA) - 42.00
Yokohama - 62.00
Firestone premium - 36.00
Firestone all road hazard - 58.00
They offer free fitting and balancing and if you take it a the same time, 4 wheel alignment with one of those computer-aided devices, for £8 (R100,00)
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Are we comparing apples with oranges here. The thread was started regarding tyres for the odd/larger size EX wheel diameter (16 inch) that are not as readily available as the cheaper and more popular 15 inch variety.
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To a point I agree about your thoughts on budget tyres in that on a family car driven at normal speeds any tyre will be OK. However that does not take into account the unexpected such as emergency braking or emergency manoveres where the extra grip can prevent an accident.
My experience with tyres is you do get what you pay for. I have tried cheap tyres and found the grip to be worse than a known make. My preference is always for Michelin as I feel they give the best compromise of grip, wear and build quality (cheaper tyres often require more balancing).
I would not consider my Hankooks to be a budget tyre as they are a known make with motorsports usage. I also researched and read lots of reviews.
I bought them from my local independent tyre place in Coventry. They are cheaper than the onlineplaces and amazingly had the tyres in stock.
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Continental sell more tyres in South Africa since they do the most advertising.
In the years of driving and my business owing (over 60) cars and vans, the road grip story has never been a problem, they all seem to do their job admirably, dependent on the design of the suspension. For instance, Golfs and BMWs are excellent, Honda less so and at the bottom are Nissan LDVs
One thing, apart from the longevity of tyres (again, dependent on the driver) is tyre noise. Michelin are by far the best in terms of quietness, long life and sturdiness (don't mind bring driven up kerbs). However, we found about 8 years ago that some Continental tyres were irritatingly noisy above 100km/hr, the Chery were even worse and we had two Chery tyres that delaminated, one spectacularly so, the driver thought he had hit something large.
I agree that you get what you pay for, but why pay an extra 15% for the same Yokohama tyre at a "premium dealer" when you can get it at a tyre discounter? They might not have a swanky showroom with free coffee and a TV, but the tyre and fitting is the same
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Are we comparing apples with oranges here. The thread was started regarding tyres for the odd/larger size EX wheel diameter (16 inch) that are not as readily available as the cheaper and more popular 15 inch variety.
Mine were the 15", so apologies I was not comparing the same size.
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I wouldnt bother with Bridgestones horrible tyre brand and way too overpriced for my liking, stick with Toyo, Dunlop, or other good brands, personally im going to stick to Falken, my tyres are pretty awesome £45 each when I bought the alloys with them, probably looking at spending a fortune replacing them when the time comes (but well worth every penny)
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i had the same problem with my 09 ex i-shift ...get on to honda and complain they know they have a problem with the set up on the tracking of the jazz...your tyres should last longer than that ...i got a new front set after 24000 mls when mine wore down to 1mm on the inside edge of both front ..
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Had the same problem with a 10 Plate Jazz, after 16300 miles, after only 2 years driving, worn on the inside edge to 1mm
Also 16 inch alloy wheels
Replaced with Continental tyres from etyres, asked for Dunlops at £83 each, but company could not get them, so they offerred Continentals at the same price, aven though the tyres were £13 per tyre dearer
When fitted had the tracking checked and it was out, so the Fitter re-adjusted tracking
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The tyres on my EX have only done 10,000 miles but have worn severely on the inside edge. The dealer said there is a known problem with the Dunlops wearing quickly and suggested Bridgestones (which they had in stock @ £137 each :o )
I took it to an independent tyre fitter who did the tracking, which was way out, and he suggested some cheaper tyres which I may look into as I will need them soon.
On line there are a few to choice from at e-tyres and blackcircles.com
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The reason the dealer recommended his Bridgestones is because he wanted to sell you some - that's it. They wouldn't have been any better than the Dunlops. The business about there being 'a known problem with the Dunlops wearing quickly' is either ignorance or bulls**t on the part of the dealer.
The overwhelmingly likely reason for rapid and uneven tyre wear on the inside or outside edges, such as is being described in this forum, is incorrectly adjusted tracking, as one or two people seem to have realised. Simply get that adjusted (properly, by a reputable independent tyre dealer) and your problems will be solved. No need to go anywhere near a Honda dealer.
(It's perhaps worth mentioning that pre-facelift Jazzes do sometimes have a tendency to wear both edges on the front tyres. This is a feature of the design of the front suspension and there isn't much that can be done about it, other than swap the tyres front to back to try and maximise their life. I stress, this problem wears both corners of the tyre and does not cause the characteristic feathering on the edges of the tread blocks that points to poor tracking. If you have wear just on the inside edges or just on the outside edges, perhaps with feathering of the tread pattern, then you have badly adjusted tracking.)
As for what tyres to choose, get the cheapest you can find from somewhere like Black Circles. They'll be fine. We're talking family hatchback being driven moderately and sensibly (hopefully), not F1 racer.
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Are we comparing apples with oranges here. The thread was started regarding tyres for the odd/larger size EX wheel diameter (16 inch) that are not as readily available as the cheaper and more popular 15 inch variety.
Yes we are. I'm really miffed that the tyres on this car are rare and expensive - I've learned a lesson and look at this when buying cars now.
I like to use Michelin tyres from Costco but Michelin don't make the 185/55R16 size at all and even though Costco have started to sell Continental tyres they only carry limited sizes in stock and this isn't one of them. They did suggest they might be able to special order them at £90 but that's a similar price to elsewhere.
We only use the Jazz around town and the Dunlop's it came with are pretty shot at 15K miles.
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1st post on here:
I will be getting my 1.4 EX next week
My only reason for avoiding the EX over the ES was the wheel size
Why did they have to do that? - There are only a handfull of tyres to fit and
non of them any good in the Snow (unless you get winter only tyres!)
The Continental PC2 is an excellent tyre in all weather EXCEPT the snow where it
is nearly useless.
Does anyone have anything posative to say about the Dunlops? - they don't get as good
a rating as the Conti, Bridgstone, Yokohama, or Pirelli.
The Falken is a bit of an unknown quantity to me as well - but some seem to like it.
In reply to caseyjones - I had a kid run out in front of me once in the rain and I stopped
If I had certain budget tyres he would have been under the car - stopping distances in the rain
vary quite a lot between tyres. I know I may seem a bit OCD on the subject - but I feel
it is important as has been said before - it's a fist sized handprint between you and the road and its
important.
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I am about to have this same problem as I will be picking up my 10plate EX next week.
Dunlops don't get rated quite so well on Tyretest.com - you can view via Mytyres.co.uk
Continentals are very good alrounders - had them for a while on my old Scenic and they
were excelletn both dry and wet - but rubbish in the snow due to the straight lines in the treads.
I am dissapointed in the Sizing of these wheels and tyres, I would be almost tempted to swap for
the 15 inch as there are so many better tyres I could get in that size!!
I am considering the Continental Premium Contact 2, despite the Snow performance; The Yokohama C-drive - which is nearly as good but a little more comfortable, or the Pirelli P6 - which is slightly better in the snow.
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Does anyone have anything posative to say about the Dunlops? - they don't get as good
a rating as the Conti, Bridgstone, Yokohama, or Pirelli.
Our car had Dunlop SP2030's on from new and went through 2 bad winters with no problems at all. Although it's rated as a summer tyre, it's sold as All Season in some places.
The only bad thing is they haven't lasted many miles, but then the car is used mainly around town which isn't good for the tyres and the shorter life probably indicates the rubber is quite soft, which fits in with the good cold weather performance.
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Hello and welcome 8)
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Rory - that is really usefull input!
I had all but written off the Dunlops on account of the few test reviews I have seen suggested they were less good than some in the wet. However, the tread pattern looks (to my OCD eyes) like they may do better in the snow than some...
If I had the 15" 175's there would be more choice and cheaper and I could use the Uniroyal Rain Expert
which has been stunning on my Scenic - excellent in the snow! as well as in the dry and wet.
I don't do a lot of miles - but was considering the Yokohama for it's comfort - but it won't be any good in the snow. The best other tyre I have used in the past was the Conti PC 2 - great wet and dry - just no good in the snow.
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Rory - that is really usefull input!
I had all but written off the Dunlops on account of the few test reviews I have seen suggested they were less good than some in the wet. However, the tread pattern looks (to my OCD eyes) like they may do better in the snow than some...
In Jan 2010, a few mths after we'd got the car, I had to do an early morning run to take wifey to the airport and the temp was -18C. The A roads I mainly used just had tracks worn in the snow to drive along. OK, I didn't encounter any soft snow or steep hills, but the car gave me no concerns at all. The evening before I'd had to push other cars up a slope, but the again the Jazz got itself moving with no drama.
If I had the 15" 175's there would be more choice and cheaper and I could use the Uniroyal Rain Expert
After using the car through 2 bad winters, plus never being happy with the ride on 16” wheels, in 2011 I got a set of 15” wheels off eBay seller autotyreman . I put 15” Michelin Alpin full winter tyres, bought during one of the Costco 20% off sales, on and they were about £65 each. The ride is definitely better but of course the winter was so mild they didn’t get any kind of test. They’re actually still on the car at the moment, we were away most of April and it’s been pretty cold since we got back!
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Was it very expensive buying the 15 inch wheels??
Maybe I will 'suck it and see' and try it out as it is first - it maybe OK
I will take my time when I get the next tyres (as I always do!)
and see how it all goes for the first year or two ...
(intend to keep this car for at least 5 years - more than likely
10 years like my last car)
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Additional/Update
I worked out that if I bought a set of 15" Wheels (reasonable priced around £260= for a set)
It would take me about 7.8 years to recoup the cost in tyre price difference
185 55 16 are average about £25= more expensive - depending on brand.
(I do around 6000m a year)
Currently the Yokoham C-Drive looks like it might help with the ride yet still give a safe performance
Be interested in others comments
I know the Conti PC2 from my old Scenic - I wonder how they drive on a jazz??
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The EX Jazz, like some Nissan Notes - has an odd size wheel and tyre setup
So that means less choice of tyres!
May I suggest if you cannot get your favourite tyres for your car that you write to the manufacturer of
that tyre.
(EG Michelin, Uniroyal, Fulda, Kumho, Vredestein - not that I am promoting all of those)
I just wrote to Uniroyal as I was SO impressed with the Rain Expert on my old Scenic - even in the snow!!
If enough people were to write then maybe one of those manufacturers might decide to produce their tyres
in this odd size.
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I've tried it a couple of times with Michelin - seems odd they don't make a tyre in any of their ranges in the 185/55R16 size. They told me they keep an eye on these things but had no plans to do that size.
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I seems the Dunlops don't last so long and develop cracks - especially in the grooves.
Continental Premium Contact 2 would be and excellent choice and good all rounder
(reservation on the Snow grip with conti's)
The Yokohama C-drive is supposed to give a slightly nicer ride comfort wise yet still
retains very good grip
On the front I wouldn't expect high mileage (from any FWD car) My previous od Scenic would
scrape in at around 13,000m with most tyres!
I reckon swapping around might enable longer life
Alternatively - the most recomended is to put new tyres on the back - replace old front with back and
put new again on the back.
However - I like new tyres on the front!
When I buy new tyres I will most likely choose between the two I mentioned above.
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I guess you have to just make the best of it that you can
with what's around.
I will, of course, always keep my eyes open for anything that comes out in that size.
I have (sadly) looked intro all the available tyres and looked at ratings and reviews
too, so at leat I feel I can make an educated choice of purchase.
8)
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The Dunlop 2030 that mine seemed to have come with handles OK so far - but
they have nasty cracks in the grooves - the car is 2010 - but the tyres are 2009
Still, they shouldn't have those cracks
Still doing battle with my local Honda supplier about the tyres - won't go into details just now
Continental PC 2 seems the most logical tyre and easiest to get hold of.
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I sent my Civic's Dunlops back a few years ago under warranty (5 years).
They were 4 years old and cracking badly. They can reimburse you if there is a genuine problem, and I got the grand sum of £65 (wear related) which I thought pretty low as there was a lot of tread left.
Before buying my ES I looked at an EX that had been reshod with Toyo directional tyres.
They looked really good and I think they are a lot cheaper than some of the others out there.
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Posted by: Geof777
Still doing battle with my local Honda supplier about the tyres - won't go into details just now
I tried my local Honda dealer, they weren't really that interested, even wanting to charge me for removing the tyres.
You can claim through a tyre retailer.
A big thank you to "Jeff Fowkes Wheels Ltd." in Leics. who removed them and sent them back for me, even though they didn't supply them.
I received a credit which I put towards new tyres for the wifes Yaris.
And they were Michelin ;D
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Well - my battle is related to their promise with my 2nd hand car purchase -
the part relevent is that they promise to check the tyres (amongst all other things)
and should hand over the car with tyres in good condition and not less than 3mm tread.
The 3 Dunlops I have are all quite badly cracked in the grooves and one is down to 2mm!
They have been contending my point that the tyre should be replaced. I am hoping to get
a cheque from them - at least that will help!
My research (UK) for tyres for the 16" 185/55's throws up only a handfull of tyres available.
Seeing as my 2010 car has 2009 Dunlops which are badly cracked - I doubt I will buy them again.
Not come across the directional Toyo's in this size...
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Chrisc
- if I had 175 65 15 tyres on mine I would be getting uniroyal Rain experts
they are amazing!!
Virtually as good as the likes of Continental PC2's in the dry - excellent in the wet
and really good in the snow - verging on Winter tyre quality (not quite)
On my old Scenic they were £60= for 195 60 15 as opposed to the Conti PC2's which I got for £76=
each
Shame I can't get them for the 16" wheels!
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I think someone may have put non standard size Toyos on.
He'd also stuck an Si badge on.
Glad I didn't buy it.
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I've just seen the EX I was buying from an Audi garage for £9000 now for sale at a Honda garage 230 miles away for £11990!
http://usedcars.honda.co.uk/Jazz/1.4-i-VTEC-EX/St-Albans/2272165-602514613-2993750.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_
Close up of Toyo Proxes tyre shows 195/50/15 which only gives a -1.54% speedo difference.
It might be worth pricing up tyres of this size.
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Close up of Toyo Proxes tyre shows 195/50/15 which only gives a -1.54% speedo difference.
It might be worth pricing up tyres of this size.
You've got the % difference correct but you typo'd the size - it's 16".
Interesting as you're supposed to declare non-standard tyre size to your insurer and most would load for wider tyres. But if you bought the car used, you'd probably never realise they're wrong.
I wouldn't want even lower profile tyres than the standard 55's anyway. One of the main reasons I got a set of 15" wheels was so that I could fit 65 profile tyres for the winter set.
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Yes I cocked up, they are 16" :-[
I suppose 195/50 would also give a firmer ride, and less economy.
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Def less economy - although how much I can't say
I have felt the need with some past cars to change the sizes in that way
One car, from a long time back, - it knocked about 3MPH off the top speed and slightly increased
the fuel consumption.
The EX problem is because of the odd size - 185 55 is normal - but 16" as well - that's the killer.
Just got the one tyre and put it on the back with the similar one (Conti PC2's)
will wear out the other 2 Dunlops on the front
The garage assured me that the cracks would be Ok - they are typical dunlops
Will look around again once they wear down
That particular garage said there is little choice and budget is not often a good idea
However - the guy had tried the Falken's and said they were OK
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Just had to replace the 2 fronts on my 2010 EX. Were fitted with Dunlops, the OSF was just beginning to go below the indicators and the grooves were cracked, NSF marginally more tread.
Replaced both fronts with Dunlops, tracking and insurance £204 all in.
Fairly happy at 31,000 miles before replacement so I should be getting rid of the car before they wear out again...backs still on about 5 mm.
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Only had a choice of Continentals, two types, for replacing my fronts. Usually I am a Michelin man but Contis are fine and value at £200 all in.
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I have just noticed, at 22k miles that the inside edge of the front tyres is wearing quicker than the rest of the tyre. Both front tyres have the same wear pattern. the majority of the tyre has about 4mm left but the inside edges have worn down to slicks about 1" at the very inner edge. So it is about to become illegal. I am obviously going to get the tracking checked but I am thinking that as the tyre wear is equal, the tracking is not going to vary from factory settings, has anyone else noticed a similar tyre wear pattern?
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My tyres are good but you really should get checked the alignment.
I had mine checked connected to the computer based system (not like the cheap Kwik-Fit one) just for under £30. I got an A4 printout too for the before and after settings/set-ups.
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Ozzie, your problem sounds just like mine. This I copied and pasted from my comment in April in another forum:
Dunlop SP31 on my '59' GE Jazz. Excess wear on just the inside inch front tyres suggesting toe-out. Which I thought might contribute to annoying slight steering wander on motorway at straight-ahead, too.
Honda technician measured the tracking as 'OK' as he/they had done a few thousand miles earlier, too, when I initially expressed concern.
Nevertheless at 13,000 miles I had them realigned. And 'rotated' to rear bringing evenly worn rears to front. Otherwise those front tyres (now on the rear) would have been past worn smooth on the inside edges by now.
Now at 23,000 miles (10,000 miles later) fronts are worn PERFECTLY EVENLY with 7,000 miles life remaining - at least. All 4 Dunlops look likely to do 30,000 or more. Possibly 35,000. Steering tracks better on motorway straight ahead, too... noticed immediately after front wheels alignment job.
Of course tracking is not supported by warranty and I took it to an independent tyre fitter who quoted half Honda's price for the realignment. I closely watched the whole job and he pointed out the extent of the mis-alignment. Not great but probably enough to wear the tyres on that inside edge, he said.
When I asked additionally for rotation fronts to rear did that for no extra cost.
£26.50 inc vat.
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The trouble is that as a driving instructor getting the tracking checked is a bit of a waste of money, as on the next lesson the pupil will kerb it and knock it out of alignment :D
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Your point is well made Ozzie, haha. The abuse a driving instructor's car must suffer! Not to forget the stress for the instructor, too.
I'm certain mine was set up at the factory wrong though, of course for understandable reasons, warranty wouldn't cover.
I noticed the beginnings of uneven wear at around 5,000 miles and I absolutely know my Jazz never hit or kerbed anything to upset its tracking. Supporting my conviction that it was set wrong from the start, I'd noticed annoying steering wander on the motorway at the straightahead from earliest days. To me that suggested 'toe-out' as exhibited by the tyre wear on the inside edges. Tracking almost totally fixed that, too.
Good luck with yours.
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I've also stated in another thread that my front tyres outside edge is quite worn after 10k miles.
I'm pretty sure I've seen somewhere that Honda has the Jazz front wheel at -1.2 to help with the steering??
this would explain why the outside edge wear down so quickly compared to the rest.
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OK I have been giving this some thought . . . .
I reckon the wear on the inside edges is by driving the car too hard ::), if the car corners to the right, the weight is transferred to the left, squeezing the left tyre. However the right tyre is now lighter, and can be dragged across the road surface on the inside edge causing wear as it fights for grip.
I know it sounds a bit dramatic but tyres slide across the road on every corner to some degree.
Ho hum, time for tyre shopping . . .
Ozzie
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Ozzie, nope... unfortunately that uneven wear is not caused by you or your pupils driving/cornering the car too hard. From habit over many years I corner mine EASY/SMOOTH. (How otherwise could I get 30/35000 miles out of my 'soft' OE Dunlops?)
Yet my front tyres 'scrubbed' the inside inch just as you have described. Till tracking was adjusted. Just £26 at a good independent. Might be 'northern' prices though.
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OK I have been giving this some thought . . . .
I reckon the wear on the inside edges is by driving the car too hard ::), if the car corners to the right, the weight is transferred to the left, squeezing the left tyre. However the right tyre is now lighter, and can be dragged across the road surface on the inside edge causing wear as it fights for grip.
I know it sounds a bit dramatic but tyres slide across the road on every corner to some degree.
Ho hum, time for tyre shopping . . .
Ozzie
Correct to a certain degree depending on the ackerman. However the wear on the outer edge of the loaded tyre (left in your example) will be much greater than any wear on th inside edge of the unloaded tyre. In some instances the unloaded tyre will leave the ground.
Yes tyres do slide across the road and it is known as slip angle. Every tyre has a slip angle where the coefficient of friction is highest (approx 8 degree)
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The rear tyres on my 2010 Insight are also Dunlop SP2030 185/55 R16 with cracks. The fronts are dated 2010 and are fine. Once again, Honda not interested. Dunlop would issue a rebate based on tread but at 4-5 mm tread left it hardly seems worth the bother.
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I have (sadly) taken an almost unhealthy interest in the tyres I have had on various cars
but as stated before - they are all you have between you and the road!
The Dunlops seem reasonable as they are not as expensive as some and generally seem to grip OK
I would imagin they are a little better than some on Mud or snow with the slightly 'Blocky' tread.
They are known to wear a lot quicker than most of the competition and develop alarming cracks in the grooves
I doubt, therfore, I will buy them again when I replace them.
So - what do thers favour from the limited choice for the EX with 16" wheels??
The Continental Premium Contact 2 is a safe choice - slightly less economical on the road than some
and not the softest ride - possibly even slightly bumpier than the Dunlops. Also the one place the PC2's
fall short is in the snow (and on Mud of course) due to the straight grooves design - but great in the wet or dry.
Has anyone tried the cheaper Falken 912 tyres? Or the Yokohama C-Drive?
These both look fairly promising alternatives.
Just looking for some feedback from other EX drivers
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So I was talking to one of the senior mechanics at my local dealer and mentioned about the tyre wear on the front.
He said they have noticed this (not just on mine but other customers as well) and had submitted claims to Honda but Honda replied that its nothing they can do ::)
He went on to say that it could be just the make and composition of the tyre but you can start to see the wear on my aftermarket wheels with Toyo PX4 so its definitely something to do with the tracking/ alignment imho.
I'm getting some camber bolts soon so I will be able to adjust the toe and camber which should dramtically reduce the wear.
Be interesting to see if any members are able to get a result from Honda
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OK, I had a gap between lessons today and took my Jazz to have a wheel alignment check. There was minimal adjustment required, both front wheels were 1mm out, so a tiny adjustment on each. The guy that adjusted the wheels said that he thought the tyre wear pattern was probably due to having the wheels on full lock for the manoeuvres.
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Ozzie, nope... unfortunately that uneven wear is not caused by you or your pupils driving/cornering the car too hard. From habit over many years I corner mine EASY/SMOOTH. (How otherwise could I get 30/35000 miles out of my 'soft' OE Dunlops?)
I would say you must be a very gentle driver - our Jazz is mainly used for rural and some town work and the 16" Dunlop SP2030's are wearing pretty evenly but I reckon will struggle to get to 20K miles, even with rotating front to back.
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'Gentle' hopefully... There's a world of difference between driving 'hard' and driving 'fast.' Alain Prost's 'boring' Formula 1 style famously exemplified 'fast' but not 'hard.'
So Rory... 'gentle' on the mechanicals for sure. Smooooth... with maximum anticipation. For corners, I aim always to avoid passenger discomfort and any hint of lurching. Always smooth is the trick... learnt from many miles of driving considerably faster than most on slippery gravel roads abroad in my formative motoring years and beyond.
Observation followed by anticipation... that way you minimise braking, too. Less brake wear, higher mpg.
Some of my Dunlops' life advantage may be due to a larger proportion of motorway miles than you, Rory. More than half my mileage is motorway.
With respect to Ozzie's alignment, mine was only slightly misaligned, too - but it has made all the difference to my Dunlops' wear. I hope you have similar success, Ozzie.
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20k is good! My 2008 has done barely done 15k and I have noticed the front tyres are soon to become illegal. They are Dunlops and most of the wear is on the outer edge.
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Excess front tyre wear on the inner 'edge' around the rolling circumference of a tread is likely a symptom of excessive toe-out.
Outer 'edge' wear is likely excessive toe-in. (I don't think Jazz has any camber adjustment.)
Without an adjustment to correct toe setting, any new tyres fitted will wear out 'unevenly' and prematurely just the same as the old.
The excess wear can be on just an inch across the tread (as mine was) or over a 'quarter' (more or less) across the tread around the whole of the tyre's rolling circumference. If you look at it closely enough, the tread may appear 'scuffed/scrubbed/ feathered' in one direction or t'other across the tyre. Again, the wear - inch/quarter/whatever - is around the whole of the tyre's rolling circumference. (Otherwise the uneven wear may be caused by something else.)
At just £26 by an independent tyre fitter, the price of my front wheel tracking/alignment was well worth it.
The very curious thing for me was that the Honda dealer technicians, on two separate occasions a few months and a few thousand miles apart, pronounced the (obvious) tyre wear as within 'acceptable' limits. Well, I didn't consider the wear 'acceptable' at all and I didn't want to pay £45 for them to 'track/align' it without a second opinion and quote.
And so that second time I immediately drove a couple of miles to an independent tyre fitter who showed me the extent of the misalignment which he defined as 'slight.' However, unlike Ozzie's feedback of '1mm,' I can't recall by how much/little it was 'out.' It was too long ago - March 2011.
If I were ever to take a car to one dealer/indie/tyre fitter who then pronounces the tracking/alignment as 'OK' in the face of uneven tread wear around the rolling circumference, I'd go to another for a second opinion and a second check. Premature front tyre wearout due to incorrect alignment is just unnecessarily poor value for me. Tyre 'scrub' due to misalignment adds to rolling resistance and therefore consumes more fuel, too.
OE Dunlops on a 1.2SE 59 Jazz... My front tyres would have been illegal by 18,000 miles, easily so. Yet now, with no change to driving style or to mix of roads travelled, they will likely do 30,000 miles albeit they were rotated to the rear when the alignment was done. While the evenly worn rears were rotated to the front... to be able to check their wear as a result of the realignment job. 11,500 miles later and the wear is absolutely even across the tread and they, too, will do 30,000. (I don't usually rotate my tyres... except at tyre fitting when new tread ALWAYS goes on the REAR.)
If front tyres are wearing unevenly across the tread it's so worthwhile getting front wheel alignment checked/done! At least in my experience.
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The guy that did my alignment was a Honda nut, and was on his 16th Honda a Civic type R, but wanted an Accord next. He mentioned that the alignment should show 8mm, but one wheel was 7mm and the other was 9mm, as it was such a small amount did I want it adjusted? He agreed that being such a small adjustment it shouldn't have worn the tyres as it has so went on to explain about camber angles on full lock . . . :)
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Looks like my tyre wear could have been due to lack of pressure in the tyres :-[
I assumed they were all fine at 30psi but it was as low as 23psi!!!
oops
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OOPPS ! I have a single strand of canvas showing :o
I managed to get 26650 miles from the front pair of Michelin Energy tyres, I have now gone for Yokohamas £59 each, so I will see how they go.
Ironically I went back to the same tyre place that did my wheel alignment a month ago, they suggested a "Free wheel alignment check" as the tyre wear was uneven, so I agreed, and lo and behold it was "slightly out", so it was readjusted for free :D
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We just bough (well, in June) a Dec 09 Jazz 1.2 with 15K miles on the clock.
We just noticed that the inner inch of the front tyres was worn bald. I complained to the dealer and they did the tracking for free (I argued that they were like this when we bought the car and thats more than 2000 miles worth of wear). Tracking was adjusted slightly but according to the printout was within spec.
The dealer has also offered to fit us 2 new front tyres, whch we'll have fitted this week.
Very apologetic they were, selling us a car in that state.
Very embarrassed I was for not noticing the tyre wear at the time of purchase.
I will be keeping a close eye on the tyre wear from now on.
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Horses for courses with the tyres
The EX has way less choice and gives a bumpier ride - SO I am considering the
Yokohama C-drive as it would seem it has all the performance of the best of the rest - with
a more comfortable and quieter ride.
Harder compounds will last longer and softer will grip a bit better.
If you really want to be OCD (like me!) then you can look at a few sites where real world
people have input their own findings:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre
http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110&cart_id=74952408.110.14221&Cookie=&s_p=Tyres
(type in your tyre size - either 175/65/15 - or 185/55/16)
http://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/?partnerDomain=adwords.google.co.uk_pneu_online&xtor=SEC-24-GOO-[Pneus_Online]--S-[pneu%20online]&xts=223987&gclid=CPzP98HojLICFYTMtAodPy8AEA
(again type in tyre size)
I feel that between these 3 independant sites you will find your ideal tyres.
I don't think anything is 100% perfect -
eg Continental Premium Contact2 - great wet and dry performance; not so good in the snow and
not the best tyre wear
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Geof777, after our Dunlops wear away I may go for the Continental Contact2.
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Geof777, after our Dunlops wear away I may go for the Continental Contact2.
Unless you are planning lots of snow driving - you won't go wrong on the PC2's
I do reckon there is not a lot to choose between Conti PC2, Bridgstone Turanza ER300,
Dunlop Fast Response and Yokohama C-Drive ...
But I have not driven all of them on this car obviously.
(This is only directed at the 185/55/16 wheels - on the 15 inch there is a better range of choice)
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Here's the thing: Honda Jazz S, & ES = 175/65/15 - apparently no comfort issues or handling problems (that I have heard of) and a large choice of Tyres available at a reasonable price
Handa Jazz EX and similar = 185/55/16 - many report a slightly harder ride due to lower profile, Handling is good though - there is an over read on the speedometer @ shown 70mph actual is around 68 - but rolling diameter is marginally larger than the 15 inch wheel version.
Here's the question: Has anyone tried simply going up to 195/55/16?
Predicted effects would be: Posatives: Slightly less bumpy ride, nearer to correct speedometer reading, larger choice of tyres available.
Negatives: Small increase in rolling diameter, may reduce top speed (but who cares? - it would be slight) slightly reduced higher speed fuel economy due to slight drag increase (but probably not at lower speed) - possible additional charge from some insurence companies - but I doubt that.
195/50/16 gives an even smaller rolling diameter BTW
I have done some similar things to this on past cars always had a posative outcome.
I am, however, reluctant to mess with this car as it all seems to work together so well.
Comparing the standard sizes:
15" wheels 175/65/15
Sidewall: 4.48 in
Radius: 11.98 in
Diameter: 23.96 in
Circumf: 75.26 in
Revs/mile: 841.86
16" Wheels 185/55/16
Sidewall: 4.01 in
Radius: 12.01 in
Diameter: 24.01 in
Circumf: 75.44 in
Revs/mile: 839.92
Alternative 195/55/16 :
Sidewall: 4.22 in
Radius: 12.22 in
Diameter: 24.44 in
Circumf: 76.80 in
Revs/mile: 825.04
Looks a little too big! - but I just wondered if anyone has tried it??
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I would take a quick look at the Honda Fit forum here:
http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-generation-ge-08-present/63430-would-195-55-16-tires-work-well-our-cars.html
The USA Fit owners seem keen to modify their cars...
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Very interesting - seriously doubtfull about changing the size - yet very frustrated at the limited Tyre choice
in this size!
205/50/16 was one suggestion - but that would ruin the economy and everything!
175/60/16 is possible - but returns to the limted choice situation - in fact makes matters worse!
Best stick with the same size I think - or possibly the 195/55/16 option
would be very interested if anyone has dabbled
(or equally any feedback on existing tyre choices)
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The other aspect is the Alloy wheels have already been scraped a bit
So aside from needing to clean that up and investigate the paint - a slightly bigger tyre might bulge
a little more and protect the rim slightly more...
I checked on Mytyres.com - generally lookes like the bigger size is about 5% cheaper
But of course there is a much bigger choice as well.
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I posted something similar in a completely different forum - and generally it is suggested that
different tyres are good with different cars and I should see what fellow Honda drivers prefer...
Edit:
I tried contacting Honda and they just directed me to contact my Local dealer - who are worse
than useless in this area and I will never darken their doors again - so it's down to my own investigations
and what other Honda users say...
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I`d fit the 195/55/16 if I were you. You know the pos (better tyre choice, price) and neg but I doubt if you could measure it in the real world (mpg, top speed, more prone to aquaplaning (same weight on bigger surface)).
I`ve a GD with 175/65/14 and I could fit the next size up (185/60/14) but the sidewall would be lower (the tyre is more expensive) and the GD is famous about the firm ride (pre 2005), so I keep using the original size.
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I`d fit the 195/55/16 if I were you. You know the pos (better tyre choice, price) and neg but I doubt if you could measure it in the real world (mpg, top speed, more prone to aquaplaning (same weight on bigger surface)).
I`ve a GD with 175/65/14 and I could fit the next size up (185/60/14) but the sidewall would be lower (the tyre is more expensive) and the GD is famous about the firm ride (pre 2005), so I keep using the original size.
You are right - the difference would be quite small in fact - as far as Aquaplaning is concerned - less difference I believe than the difference might be between two different brands of tyre - get one that is particulalrly good in the wet and it should be fine.
The only other issue could be insurance - so I would have to get the green light from them beforehand.
I am split down the middle if I go up one size there are the benefits you mentioned, also the ride would be marginally smoother. If I stick withthe same size I am very limited in choice but there are no potential issues other than that...The tricky bit would be the changeover period - there would be around 1 - 2 years with 2 different sizes - one axle with the slightly larger and one with some nearly new on the smaller - I will only be buying 2 tyres next time.- This might be the persuasion to stick with the same size...as I said - undecided at the moment.
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I`d fit the 195/55/16 if I were you. You know the pos (better tyre choice, price) and neg but I doubt if you could measure it in the real world (mpg, top speed, more prone to aquaplaning (same weight on bigger surface)).
I`ve a GD with 175/65/14 and I could fit the next size up (185/60/14) but the sidewall would be lower (the tyre is more expensive) and the GD is famous about the firm ride (pre 2005), so I keep using the original size.
I had an Astra (mk3) with that tyre size - and I changed to the 185/60/14 and never looked back! - All round slight improvement...MPG didn't suffer at all - never worried about top speed anyway and the tyres were a bit cheaper (like for like) then - not sure now.
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Insurance are more than happy for me to fit 195's
Honda said it would be no problem as long as it doesn't cause a speedometer reading problem
(which I already calculated it won't)
Local Tyre shop are happy - prices are confirmed a bit less - but also the larger choice means
I can be more selective.
My only problem, now, is one of my two nearly new 185's is faulty and has had to be replaced - like for like
so it will be a while before I can have all 4 as 195's
Will do the older pair on the front in a month or so - but almost certain I will go for 195's now.
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I had an Astra (mk3) with that tyre size - and I changed to the 185/60/14 and never looked back! - All round slight improvement...MPG didn't suffer at all - never worried about top speed anyway and the tyres were a bit cheaper (like for like) then - not sure now.
Every 6k miles I`m rotating the tyres on my car so I get an evenly worn tyres and I can change them (all 4) at the same time. I might go with the 185/60/14 at the end of next year... depend on the price.
At what tyre depth would anyone recommend to replace the tyres? (currently I`m on 2.5-3mm - summers).
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You're getting close in my opinion.
The legal limit is 1.6 - but below 3mm most tires drop off in wet grip performance.
Changing all 4 is best if you are changing size as well - just works out a more costly month that month!
(I am now stuck and have to change 2 and then the other 2 at a later date)
What care are these tyres for??
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I prefer to change all 4 tyres at the same time, nothing else.
So far I only had Michelin Energy Saver (C,B, 68dB) and Continental Eco Contact 3 (E,B 70dB) on it but I think I`d go for Unirolyal RainExpert for the next time...
I`m wondering if I should follow the new tyre labels?
On mytyres I can see them and for the Uniroyal is F, E, 70dB, the Conti Eco Contact 5 is B, B, 70dB.
That is fuel efficiency, wet braking, rolling noise.
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I wouldn't take ANY one type of rating on it's own - I personally cross refer a few before making
my educated(? ?) decision.
So - yes, I can vouch for the Rain Experts as a very safe tyre - but I don't know how they compare, in a real world, on the rolling resisitance issue... (E, B, 71DB)
I check the Tiretest.com figures (via Mytyres.co.uk) where the lower the figure the better.
Also check on Tyrereviews.co.uk - boith of these are real world in as much as real people input to the average overal figure - so check how many have inputed
Finally I also look at Pneu online - (www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk) - that one has a helpfull little
Pie like graph to visually display characteristics.
Sometimes you might find a wet weather C rated tyre - actually betteres a B rated in certain test sites
So keep a flexable mind with these ratings - they are merely an incicator
I notice small differences in Tyre spec or size can also affect the rating -
I just looked up the Michelin energy Saver (for example)
on 'Mytyre's - I found 3 different ratings for a very similar tyre:
E A 70 dB 195/55 R16 87V GRNX
E B 70 dB 195/55 R16 87V M0, GRNX
C A 70 dB 195/55 R16 91V XL GRNX
Speed rating and size may also have an affect
It would be very easy to get bogged down with all this I think -
and I am as guilty as anyone of over thinking things.
;)
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Returning to this montinous subject!
Following an 'invisible' puncture in a nearly new tyre - (and also the same on our other car recently!)
I had to go for a cheaper back tyre and avoid the other make with the 'sidewall pinhole'
issues (apparently LOADS of that brand have them - some just go down very slowly
but they are not admitting it I have heard) So ~
I was sold a Falken ZE912 in the standard 185/55/16
It is absolutely fine - despite being on the back I can say I reckon it is OK as a good alternative,
(cornered it on some very slippery surfaces where other tyres have skidded and it was cool!)
the only reservation is it gets a poor rolling resistance rating.
As for my alternatives - Price is an issue as Continentals in 185's are around £130 and Dunlop
was £140 ish - but 195's are a little cheaper.
So There is a new Falken - scarecely tested 'ZE914' which looks like it would be good
(C rolling, B wet performance, 70db - which I think is also B)
Buy it through Black Circles and I will be down below £70=
Looks like this might be a good alround solution
Anyone know anything about them...?
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I would say Falken tyres are regarded as mid ranged tyres in the UK, they are a good name in motorsport and the company dates back to the mid 1980's.
I too will be facing a replacement for my EX- a full set- once winter is out of the way, I may well be joining you with the ZE912.
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Have you checked this site?
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Falken/ZE912.htm (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Falken/ZE912.htm).
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The Falken ZE 912 is the only one in the 185 size and is more than adequate - my only mild
reservation (now) is it get's a 'G' rating for rolling resistance - how much effect that actually has
would have to be seen - however Rolling resistance is bottom of the priorities - but to be considered
IMO
I will now be putting 195's on instead of 185's researched it quite a bit and there should be no adverse affects
the tyres are a little cheaper (like for like) and there is a massive increase in choice
Most likely it will be the new Falken ZE914 I will use - which gets good ratings and I have read
2 very good personal reviews so far
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Have you checked this site?
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Falken/ZE912.htm (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Falken/ZE912.htm).
Yes - looks very good considering it is considerably cheaper than
the main streamers like Continental, Dunlop, Bridgestone and Yokohama
I am looking at the new ZE914 - one of the reviews is on that site
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Falken/ZE914.htm
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Before you place an order check these sites;
mytyres.co.uk
blackcircles
and
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s460p0/Car_Tyres_-_MPV_Tyres_-_People_Carrier_Tyres_-_16_inch_R16_inch_-_195_55_16_195_55R16
Then you may be able to get cashback via Quidco to save a few more £'s
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Thanks! I was looking at Black Circles - looks quite good
Does Camskill add to the price for fitting etc or is that the full fitted price? (do you know)
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I just checked the site - http://www.camskill.co.uk/workshop.php
Fiting at their workshop in Whitehaven, maybe worth a trip out?
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Would be too far to be worth it unless they actually gave the tyres away :(
Nice thought though
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I believe 225/45/17 gives exactly the same rolling diameter at the 175/65/15 tyres. Has anyone tried going that big or would they snag the inner arches?
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175/65/15 & 185/55/16 aren't even exactly the same - but close
The closest to the 185/55/16 is 205/50/16 - but that is just too wide IMO
I would have had the 175/65/15's if I could have.
17" would require an even LOWER profile and therefor even bumpier ride!
They would only snag the arches if wither the rolling diameter was a lot bugger,
the suspension lwered - or the width was so wide it snagged on tight lock.
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175/65/15 & 185/55/16 aren't even exactly the same - but close
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They are almost exatcly the same.
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175/65/15 & 185/55/16 aren't even exactly the same - but close
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They are almost exatcly the same.
Rolling diameter of the Wheel / Tyre combination - the aim is to stay close to the same diameter
Comparing the standard sizes:
15" wheels 175/65/15
Sidewall: 4.48 in
Radius: 11.98 in
Diameter: 23.96 in
Circumf: 75.26 in
Revs/mile: 841.86
16" Wheels 185/55/16
Sidewall: 4.01 in
Radius: 12.01 in
Diameter: 24.01 in
Circumf: 75.44 in
Revs/mile: 839.92
my suggested
Alternative 195/55/16 :
Sidewall: 4.22 in
Radius: 12.22 in
Diameter: 24.44 in
Circumf: 76.80 in
Revs/mile: 825.04
If we go up in wheel size then we go down in profile to keep the rolling diameter as close
to the same as possible
As I was saying - the 205/50/16 is actually only 1mm larger than the 185/55/16
With my larger 195/55 suggestion the small increase won't hurt as the speedo over reads
quite a bit, the slightly larger size will go half way to correcting this...
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If the 175/65/15 is stock, the closest is 185/55/16 (- 0.2%), then 205/50/16 (- 0.5%) and 195/55/16 (- 2%).
And speedo is not correct even with stock 175/65/15.
If I'm not mistaken in my country is allowed up to +- 3% without need to change speedo settings.
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Lost the calculation ??? - but my 185/55/16 set up over reads by over 4% above 50mph
These wheels/tyres are slightly larger overall diameter than the stock 175/65/15 setup
yet still over reading!
So I am comfortable with using a slightly fatter tyre - the online calculator tells me I will have a 1.8% increase over the 185/55/16 - so I make it that I will still be slightly over reading and therefor at speedo 70mph I will still be under 70mph actual. (but more close to accurate)
My insurance company posativly endorsed the idea - they seemed to think that a fatter tyre is always a better tyre!!!
While I will benefit from paying less for a given tyre (about 5%) and also have much more choice available - that is really NOT my reason for considering a fatter tyre. Ultimately there has to be a little more rolling and wind resistance, and on very wet roads there is a slight increase in the possibility of aquaplaning - so I will try to choose carefully balancing the advantage of cheaper options against wet (primarily) perfomance.
It will make the ride very slightly more comfortable and at the end of the day the increase is very small
so it shouldn't make cornering spongy for that small a difference.
Next month I will be buying - so I will report back posative or negative results and observations.
8)
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Update:
New 195 tyres ordered - will report on how it feels / drives after I have tried them for a while.
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Anyone considering doing this - changing the expensive 185/55/16 tyres to 195/55/16 I would say
DO IT!!
Visibly the difference is tiny
Even in the freezing weather I can just detect there is a slightly softer thump going over speed bumps.
Handling (discussions about the merits of various differnet brands aside) is completly fine - in fact I reckon the car feels a little better all round -and I have opnly changed the fronts at the moment!
The ride is a little less jittery and yet the handling is not compromised. It is winter and freezing - and I am only driving around town - I will have to wait to see if there is any percievable change in fuel economy - but I did purchase a tyre with a good rolling resitance rating so it should also be fine.
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I have a set of those so I'll give that a try, I want a bit more weight to the steering as it still feels too light and that might well do it ;D.
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I have a set of those so I'll give that a try, I want a bit more weight to the steering as it still feels too light and that might well do it ;D.
The weight on the steering will most likely be more affected by the Tyre make and the tyre pressure.
The 185/55/16 is supposed to be 32lbs/²inch I put the same in my 195/55/16's
So it depends if you have a tyre preference I guess
Having said that - I feel the steering 'feels' nicer, so it could be that it is a little heavier
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Great to hear of your success in changing EX tyres.
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Frustrating that I have 2, nearly new, non matching 185's on the back!!
Will pop them on the front in the Summer and leave them there untill they are
finished, now that I am happy with the 195's
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I`m well behind you guys with 16" 195 tyres... I`ve 14" 175/65 and considering to fit 185/60 next year 14".
Good to hear 195 works well.
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That's what I'm looking for basically, more feedback, it's not remote or vague like some cars, just not 'weighted' quite enough for my liking ;D.
BTW, on a cautionary note, I think having wider (195) tyres on the front and narrower (185) tyres on the rear is a contravention of Construction and Use rules?, the other way round is fine, it dates back to when all vehicles were RWD :o.
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That's what I'm looking for basically, more feedback, it's not remote or vague like some cars, just not 'weighted' quite enough for my liking ;D.
BTW, on a cautionary note, I think having wider (195) tyres on the front and narrower (185) tyres on the rear is a contravention of Construction and Use rules?, the other way round is fine, it dates back to when all vehicles were RWD :o.
Ooh that's interesting! - not too sure about it though, it's quite complex. Yes Understeer is considered safer than oversteer - but 195's on the front are not going to be better than 185's in the wet! Also - casting my mind back
to an archive of stuff I really don't need stored in my head... The old Citroen CX 2200 & 2400's had 185's on the front and 175's on the back as standard!
I fully intend to swap the tyres over, after this winter - once I have decided what I think of them (more feel trying out tyres on the front) as it is also a brand I have not used before. Will wear the others out on the front, then get new, and swap back again.
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I know exactly what you mean the front tyres, on a front wheel drive car having both the power and steering going through them, they will be the primary factor in direction etc., the rears will go where the fronts are headed in 99% of cases.
It did cross my mind that the C&U rules might have been updated to take into account modern designs like Front Wheel Drive etc!
I guess the acid test would be an MOT?, that said I see many cars on the road that are obviously contravening C&U rules that should have an MOT, so they seem to get away with it.
Interesting about the old Citroen CX's though, typical wonderful querkie Citroen, when did you last see one of those on the road, other than Jeremy Clarksons mobile version of the Trellick Tower :o
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Not seen one of those on the road in a long time - there were a few others like that...
Most odd sizes involve larger wheels/tyres on the back however.
Having just spent out lots of additional money on tyres recently I wasn't about to waste the almost new
back tyres (long boring saga!) - but I have a long term plan to get all 4 changed over to 195's
TBH the difference is almost invisible.
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I`m well behind you guys with 16" 195 tyres... I`ve 14" 175/65 and considering to fit 185/60 next year 14".
Good to hear 195 works well.
Did you mean 175/65/15" wheels & tyres? - the standard S & ES size
If you have them I would suggest sticking with them unless you have a problem with them...?
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Hello everyone! This is a first post, so please be kind to me!
I have a Jazz 1.4EX which I bought new in March 2010. It has only covered 6200 miles from new, but I have noticed that all four tyres (Dunlop Sp2030 185.55.R16) have developed cracks in between the tread blocks. Is this something I should be concerned about, and if so is the dealer likely to be sympathetic as the 3 year warranty has not yet expired. Any comments would be gratefully received. Thanks!
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Have a look here, you can read the age of your tyres.
http://p-t-a.co.uk/Tyre-Age.htm
Im guessing thay the tyres are manufactured late 09, early 10 so they shouldn't be cracking, but I would take the car to a local tyre dealer and ask for an independent opinion before approaching Honda.
Good luck,
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Post #23 of this thread http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=4547.15 (http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=4547.15) reports a similar problem with cracking.
John
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Yep same here, alltyres cracking between the tread. Local dealer said not covered by warranty (but they would put in a claim to try and get part payment if they fitted new ones, yeh right). But seeing as the fronts were due to be changed I just put the new tyres on the back and the cracking tyres on the front which will need changing in the next few thousand miles.
Interesting the new Jazz have different make..
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Don't know why they crack - Dunlop are generally OK - but that model seems not so good in this respect.
Not a lot to choose from in that size sadly.
I changed to 195 / 55 /16 and will stick with that for the rest of my ownership - much better all round
I went with Falken ZE914 - but there is a big choice in this size.
I never keep tyres past 5 years old anyway - I think there might be some small print in insurence, not sure
Always check the Dot number on the sidewall - has the week number and year on it - so you know how
old your rubber is.
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Falken ZIEX 914 all round
Excellent and much cheaper than certain other mainline brands -
grip and handling absolutly perfect cannot complain!
If in doubt swap up for 195's - you can choose what tyres you like - but
those are not expensive yet still very good
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Falken ZIEX 914 all round
Excellent and much cheaper than certain other mainline brands -
grip and handling absolutly perfect cannot complain!
If in doubt swap up for 195's - you can choose what tyres you like - but
those are not expensive yet still very good
Just to clarify - the 195's fit on the existing rims? It gives you so much more choice. Any notable difference in handling?
Any feedback from insurance company? I am tempted given the price of these 185's
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Just had 2 Falken Ziex ZE-912 185/55 R16 V (83) fitted on front. Black Circles inc fitting locally £146.54.
Very pleased with them so far.
Original Dunlops have only lasted 19500 miles and while wear was even over 3/4 of the tread, the inside edges were well worn and they were cracked between the treads. Never before have I had tyres that have worn this quickly. Hope the new Falkens are better.
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[my two year old 1.4 cvt came with Dunlop sp2030 fitted.the fronts only lasted 12,5oo miles,and the rears were replaced today at 15000 miles.the dunlops performed well,and there were no cracks,but the wear was not good.i have fitted maxxis all season rears at £80 each fom event tyres.i]
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Just had a look at my tyres (Original SP2030s).
All got cracking between treads.
Not sure I'll be replacing them with Dunlop.
Just wondering if they are safe :-\
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I had Dunlop SP2030s in 186/55r16 on my 2010 Insight ES. All four developed cracking between the treads, which turned into a slow leak in one of them.
I asked about warranty on them but at around 25,000 miles was told it was too late by a Honda dealer who sold me some pre-puncture sealant (superseal or something like that). The sealant stopped the leak. I also phoned Dunlop, who told me that they would cover the tyres on a cosmetic warranty with a percentage of the tyre value allocated on a treadwear remaining basis. They assured me that they were safe and the cracking would not lead to catastrophic failure (well - they would say that unless willing to recall them I guess). I didn't claim because the sealant seemed to have solved the main problem for me and they'd already lost enough tread to make claiming not worth the hassle.
I eventually changed the tyres at just short of 40,000 miles a few months ago (approx 2.5-3mm tread left generally but there was a bit more inside wear). Swapped them for Toyo Proxes CF2 (again 185/55r16). They've seemed pretty good so far but the tread pattern suggests it might not be the best in snow. Thankfully they've not seen much of the white stuff this winter.
Interestingly, I went for pre-puncture sealant from the same dealer as above in the Toyos but it caused me wheel balance issues, manifested in some fairly prominent vibrations at speed. Don't know if they used a different product but I only put up with it for a few weeks before having it cleaned out and the wheels rebalanced.
Regarding the inside wear on the Dunlops - I suspect the problem isn't the tyres but is more likely to be to do with the proliferation of speed humps we have in Sheffield. Going over those repeately at 15-30mph is going to scrub the inside edges a fair bit.
Edit: I see this thread includes mentions for different tyres in the standard size. Here are a few newish options I spotted in 185/55r16 that have been launced in the last year or two with euro ratings:
Toyo Proxes CF2 C, B, 70db (what I've got)
Pirelli Cinturado P1 Verde C, B, 69db
Michelin Energy Saver Plus C, A, 68db
Bridgestone Ecopial EP150, B, B, 70db
Yokahama BluEarth AE01, C, C, 70db