Electric cars

[Westy36]

The van market very is important. Some news here about Vauxhall and BT Fleet with the Vivaro-e.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-9068679/Vauxhall-talks-producing-electric-vans-Britain.html

In cities, this would make so much sense.

[Jocko]

NHS Fife has a fleet of Nissan e-NV200 vans. NHS Lothian also has a few. Fife Council has a range of electric cars and vans too.

[Kremmen]

If they can do their job without running out of puff then it makes sense.

I only ever see Openreach vans parked up so no problem

[peteo48]

A little update on the Honda E. Ian Sampson, one of the earlier EV Vloggers, is doing a sponsored thing with a Honda E - he did a range test in bad weather the other day - 81 miles max. Not good.

[Westy36]

NHS Fife has a fleet of Nissan e-NV200 vans. NHS Lothian also has a few. Fife Council has a range of electric cars and vans too.

Fantastic. They are ahead of the game there.  I don't think any of our councils round here have got EV's yet

Re the Honda E - Bob Flavin recent review "Honda E Living with the little electric car is harder than you think"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYb-vs_q7mw

[sparky Paul]

I've looked at those NV200 vans, there's someone near me got one. The range on those isn't fantastic.

[Jocko]

When I was a white van man, I never did more than 100 miles in a shift. For that type of work, they are great.

[culzean]

See attached gridwatch uk PDF

Wind gone on holidays again,  taken solar with it - grid getting more from undersea cables ( probably nuclear ) than from wind and solar combined.

[Jocko]

Don't see what that has to do with electric cars.

[culzean]

Don't see what that has to do with electric cars.

It has no relevance if electric cars do not need electricity to run.......

Just showing how precarious our electrical supply has become due to unreliable renewables and no grid storage.  Not a particularly high demand today either at 35GW

[Jocko]

National Grid says they will have no problems supplying power for electric cars. The must-have plans in place to mitigate circumstances.

[sparky Paul]

Don't see what that has to do with electric cars.

It has no relevance if electric cars do not need electricity to run.......

I always find the electricity supply argument against electric vehicles a bit odd when we import the vast majority of our crude oil as well as finished petroleum products from other countries anyway. At least we make the wind and solar power here without reliance upon imported fuels.

I don't think anyone is denying that current infrastructure will have to change, if we are serious about reducing carbon emissions. Renewable and waste energy will need expansion into more reliable sources and storage methods in the medium-long term, as well as additional nuclear base load.

[culzean]

National Grid says they will have no problems supplying power for electric cars. The must-have plans in place to mitigate circumstances.

Is there a magic electricity tree as well as the well known magic money tree ?

The Grid nor anyone else can control the weather.. and that is what renewables rely on.

Will the choice be to turn off the heating in the house or charge the car battery ?

PS - just checked gridwatch  site and wind and solar combined are less than 4% of
power going to grid.

Good job a lot of industry on shutdown or demand would be higher still.

[sparky Paul]

The Grid nor anyone else can control the weather.. and that is what renewables rely on.

Not all of them, and storage is not dependent upon weather either.

Will the choice be to turn off the heating in the house or charge the car battery ?

UK energy consumption for heating had been reducing steadily from around 2000-2010, due to energy conservation measures taken in the past, though it has flattened off since then. I think they see energy saving measures playing a big part in reducing future demand, but that is going to need significantly greater commitment from government... and that seems to have evaporated.

Energy demand from industry is a third of what it was 50 years ago.

In any case, it's not all bad news

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/28/storm-bella-helps-uk-record-wind-power-generation-boxing-day

[TiJazz]

On the topic of the E, I test drove one as a possible replacement for my (at the time) Model 3. The E is a great little car, but the range is simply unacceptable for the price.

I also believe the Advance should be priced at the current base model price, and the base model should be ~£24k.

Unfortunately, Honda dealers aren’t being incentivised to sell them and there are no discounts on offer as they’re all made to order.