Electric cars

[Jocko]

Or we do it like China.

[mitchelln]

I see today that one of the charge point companies has now increased their price to £1 per KW. So you charge up a VW ID3, for example, from 10-80% now costs £40. Plus it takes 35 minutes of course. The other charger companies are bound to follow suit.
Glad I went for a hybrid!

[Kremmen]

Me too

Electric charging is going to get expensive. Some reports saying it could get more expensive than petrol on a mile by mile basis.

The other thing is that for us low milers an electric battery will lose charge albeit slowly but petrol in the tank stays as is.

[mitchelln]

Yep, especially when they finally start taxing electric vehicles and/or usage once the fossil revenue starts drying up.

[JimSh]

Me too

Electric charging is going to get expensive. Some reports saying it could get more expensive than petrol on a mile by mile basis.

The other thing is that for us low milers an electric battery will lose charge albeit slowly but petrol in the tank stays as is.

We don't know what's going to happen to the price of petrol in the future either though.
I think the cheapest option for now would be solar panels on the roof feeding an EV on the drive but that's not possible for everyone.

[Jocko]

Or you put your name down for the Aptera. Has its own built-in solar panels. They reckon that me, living in Scotland, could do 20 miles every day without ever having to plug in for a top-up. Starting at $25,900 and available next year.

https://aptera.us/

[JimSh]

Mair Sunset Boulevard than Leith Walk.
I can jist imagine half a dozen of them stuck at the bottom of Leith Walk waitin' for the sun tae come oot.

[Jocko]

The sun always shines on Leith.

[embee]

FWIW, just returned from 2 weeks hols in that France place. Macron has doubled the state discount on petrol to 30c/litre ("up to" according to the retailer choice apparently). Lowest price I paid for E10-95RON was Eu1-36 per litre, that's around £1-25 allowing for the falling £.
There again, they have also capped the electrickery increase to 4%, so the relative costs of running electric vs petrol there are in a somewhat different league to here.

[richardfrost]

The sun always shines on Leith.

When it doesn’t, you might have to walk 500 miles!

[Lord Voltermore]

Mair Sunset Boulevard than Leith Walk.
I can jist imagine half a dozen of them stuck at the bottom of Leith Walk waitin' for the sun tae come oot.

If a count of solar panels  is East  Fife 4 -Forfar 5, will the Leith Police releaveth thee?

[JimSh]

Surely the Sun shall shine soon and from the feckin' freezing fog from the Forth free us.

[JimSh]

If a count of solar panels  is East  Fife 4 -Forfar 5, will the Leith Police releaveth thee?

Sorry for the digression
Explainer for folk not familiar with Fife, Forfar or fitba' results on the wireless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44916496

The match ended just in time for Forfar fans to catch the four-forty-four from Fife, arriving at Forfar at five-fifty-five.

Eric and Ernie!

[Lord Voltermore]

Glad I went for a hybrid!

Congrats, but we can’t predict the future. The R&D in battery technology is very active.
If the prices of electric cars drop with better range and weight  , possibly due to chinese competition, those hybrid will be worth 100 bucks

But  its probably safe to predict that some folk will only be able to afford gas guzzlers  for some years yet and whilst some will value them as heritage  'old timers'  there will be those who will  be pleased  when they can at last  afford one of the relatively few  quieter and more economical Hybrids that were produced in the  early 2020's.   And as improved  battery technology will initially only be available to those who can afford new cars , there will be those who have to wait even longer before they too can afford to  ignore hybrids and obsolete EV's.  I dont think their value will fall off a cliff at least until they are old enough to be ready for the scrap heap anyway . And might fetch a  good scrap price due to their rare metal content.

Less predictable is whether specialists will be able to economically refurbish older batteries with new ,possibly more efficient , cells.

[Kremmen]

No doubt there will be complaints when used EV's are bought from Arthur Daley types that have very little range and/or charging capacity requiring an expensive new battery.