Author Topic: More gutless than normal  (Read 2632 times)

edam

  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 359
  • Country: 00
  • My Honda: 2015 1.3 SE CVT
More gutless than normal
« on: December 27, 2022, 03:27:03 PM »
I feel that my car is even more gutless than normal at low revs
I have started to use "S" more often to get it moving but on mine "S" changes gear from 1st to 2nd , yes mine does, but then it revs too high too keep using it .
I have tried using the paddles but as it always pulls away in 1st trying to change up when you are going round a roundabout is awkward .
Could  E10 be  effecting the performance at low revs

Jocko

  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9356
  • Country: scotland
  • Fuel economy:
  • My Honda: Died from rust.
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2022, 03:37:17 PM »
Check you do not have a brake dragging. After a reasonable run check the wheel centres to see if any are hot. Be careful. One could be very hot.

Glosrich

  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 71
  • Country: gb
  • My Honda: 2016 Jazz S iVtec
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2022, 07:44:26 PM »
Try using some E5 like Shell V power and see if that helps.

edam

  • Topic Starter
  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 359
  • Country: 00
  • My Honda: 2015 1.3 SE CVT
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2022, 03:32:36 PM »
I have read that E10 is not good if a car has not been used much. I last filled it up ,with E10, over 2 months ago, and its still more than half full.
Could that be causing the problem

madasafish

  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1953
  • Country: gb
  • My Honda: 1.4 ES CVT -2012
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2022, 09:07:00 PM »
Short journeys? Engine not fully warmed up?
Few revs.?

Fouled up plugs and sooted up catalyst result.
20 miles at 4,000rpm on a warmish day should clear it.



edam

  • Topic Starter
  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 359
  • Country: 00
  • My Honda: 2015 1.3 SE CVT
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2022, 11:51:11 AM »
The mK3 is designed to be gutless at low revs so i dont think much would help but will give it a try

Jocko

  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9356
  • Country: scotland
  • Fuel economy:
  • My Honda: Died from rust.
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2022, 02:11:52 PM »
I still say, check for a dragging brake. After 50+ years of motoring, I have found, with one exception, that a marked reduction in mpg has always been down to a brake not fully releasing. The one exception was a leaky fuel pump.

edam

  • Topic Starter
  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 359
  • Country: 00
  • My Honda: 2015 1.3 SE CVT
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2022, 07:44:24 PM »
I think around town I will leave it in S

wp205

  • Registered Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4
  • Country: gb
  • My Honda: 2019 ex navi
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2023, 05:39:31 PM »
"Gutless!,
I have a 22019 EX Navi CVT, to describe mine as gutless would be an understatement, I suspect that in order to keep the emissions down Honda have played around with the computer control for the gearbox, probably after the DSI trick on some earlier marks didn't work. I find the only way to get a decent response from the car is to boot the throttle and redline it.
Why did I buy such a pathetic vehicle? - brain failure.

Downsizer

  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 853
  • Country: gb
  • My Honda: Jazz 1.3 SE cvt - Feb '16 - Blue
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2023, 10:25:49 PM »
Keeping the emissions down is a good design objective, and there’s nothing difficult about flooring the accelerator past the resistance point on those occasions you need a faster response, which are quite rare in my experience.

monkeydave

  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1010
  • Country: gb
  • My Honda: 68 Plate Jazz S White Orchid Pearl
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2023, 11:27:19 PM »
get a manual, no problems then

edam

  • Topic Starter
  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 359
  • Country: 00
  • My Honda: 2015 1.3 SE CVT
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2023, 09:06:54 AM »
I could not get on with the stupid 6 speed gearbox and having to shift all the time to keep the revs up

Marco1979

  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 260
  • Country: nl
  • Fuel economy:
  • My Honda: Honda Jazz Crosstar 2021 Crystal Red
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2023, 10:47:55 AM »
The Jazz will learn your driving style and maybe keep the revs even lower. I drove both a 1.3 CVT (2017) and a 1.5 CVT (2019) and both had this. They would come off the mark very slowly, except when flooring it.
I would sometimes use 3/4 of the pedal to get off the mark, but lift it slightly when reaching 2.500 or 3.000 rpm. That would, at least for my driving, provide just enough gut. The car will notice you want a decent acceleration, but you do not want too much revs.

Also, I had to go back to the dealer to fix a small bug in my 1.5: maximum power would be at 6.600 (the specs said so), but no matter what I did (D, S, manual mode, flooring it hard) the CVT wouldn't let it pass 6.000 rpm. After a reset, it would go to 6.600 and full power was available.

I did not experience much difference between 1.3 and 1.5 in normal driving. At higher speeds, the 1.5 would use lower revs and it also was much stronger above 4.000 rpm. Also interesting: the 1.5 was limited to 190 kmph (118mph). On the German Autobahn (only tried it once or twice) the 1.3 would stay at 6.200 rpm, while the 1.5 would drop to a mere 4.000 at this limit. The 1.5 was more economic above 70 mph.

edam

  • Topic Starter
  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 359
  • Country: 00
  • My Honda: 2015 1.3 SE CVT
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2023, 12:14:54 PM »
Im leaving it in "S" most of the time now but it has taken a while to get used to driving it in "S" because of the engine braking.
I have owned it for 6 years and the lack of power at low revs is what I really hate .A while back  a white van did not think I was pulling away quick enough and gave me a push to get me moving !!!

« Last Edit: January 13, 2023, 12:16:39 PM by edam »

edam

  • Topic Starter
  • Approved Member
  • *
  • Posts: 359
  • Country: 00
  • My Honda: 2015 1.3 SE CVT
Re: More gutless than normal
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2023, 03:34:21 PM »
I have filled it up with  Momentum E5 but that has not helped . It still gets stuck in the flat spot at low revs.
I had the same flat spot on my manual Mk3 as well so its not just my car
Has there been a uplift to make it more drive able>
« Last Edit: January 19, 2023, 03:25:32 PM by edam »

Tags:
 

Back to top