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Have you any pet hates with your cars ?
The following annoy me and it's not restricted to Honda's :
Bonnet locks, why are they so agricultural. you have to drop the bonnet from height to close them and most manufacturers recommend this in the manual. you can close the doors gently, why not the bonnet !
A lack of gauges these days especially the engine temp gauge. When the engine temp light comes on it's a bit late. 40 years ago my Metro had a water temp gauge and I could see it go up and drop down when the thermostat opened. Cost savings I suppose, but I preferred having them.
No spare wheel, having a disabled wife the last thing I want is to be stranded somewhere. I used to keep a spare in the wheel well with previous cars but Hybrids have the battery packs under the boot floor so I can't get the spare and my wifes wheelchair safely in the boot area.
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My pet hate with my Jazz was no a/c but that is what I get for settling for sn S.
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RDMS, how can it be regarded as a safety feature, if when driving down country lanes, it try’s to steer away from the grass verge and into the path of an oncoming car.
I could live with it, if it was under the ultimate control of the driver, ie, not having to disable it every time I start the car.
No, it’s not for me and I hate with a passion, particularly when I occasionally forget to disable it! 😳
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Service reminder. Annoying having to reset it every 180 days or whatever it is.
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Next time your in get them to disable it
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Next time your in get them to disable it
Yes, mines disabled I never see it.
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...A lack of gauges these days especially the engine temp gauge. .......
I worked in the car industry for many years. Temperature gauges, and especially oil pressure gauges, are a complete waste of time/money/effort. If you engineer a car properly they are of no use, the temperatures will be OK and the oil pressure will be fine. Very often the gauges were calibrated in a very non-linear way anyway, the water temp would usually sit near normal on the gauge pretty much regardless of actual temperature. Mind you, in the old Mini/Metro with the A-series it would eventually let you know when (not if) the bypass hose had failed. Modern cars properly engineered .... no.
At least in a modern car it would be perfectly possible to display on a screen any parameters used by the engine management system if you really wanted it. Less is usually more.
Things that bug me, with many electronic/IT type stuff not just cars, is how complicated it is to set stuff how you want it, selecting menus scrolling through options selecting sub-menus etc. Usually I've forgotten how to do it next time I need it.
One thing that I liked in the Jazz is the nice big round knobs for the heating/ventilation. My Yaris has a small mode button to select where the air is directed (screen/footwell etc) and I always have to look down low on the centre console to find it, hate that, but the ventilation is actually better than the Jazz.
In the Jazz the dashboard reflection in the screen is awful, how can that get through to production? I have a mat on the dash but you shouldn't need to.
Silly door handles bug me too, and as for those scrolling indicators used by some manufacturers, don't start me.
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A lack of gauges these days especially the engine temp gauge. When the engine temp light comes on it's a bit late. 40 years ago my Metro had a water temp gauge and I could see it go up and drop down when the thermostat opened. Cost savings I suppose, but I preferred having them.
Some gauges can just become worry meters. Watching temperature gauges going up in traffic and hill climbing didnt really help. Modern cars monitor lots more things than they did in the past where the driver doesn't really need to know the details. A blue light saying too cold, dont thrash it yet, and red light when something is urgently wrong,or orange light when it can wait a bit, is enough for me. If necessary some cars can show lots of additional stuff, including engine temperature , on a secret menu or by using a bluetooth OBD2 reader and phone app . I have never felt the need to monitor it except maybe during diagnosis of a fault.
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What bugs me? To start with: lack of height adjustment for the passenger seat (more of a problem for Ms. Jazzik).
Lack of a spare wheel (although... the last puncture I had was almost 12 years ago with the Kia. So statistically, it's about our turn again).
And finally: why does the manual have (only) 679 (six hundred and seventy nine) pages? :o I notice here that hardly anyone takes the trouble to look something up.
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My biggest dislike is that the VSA off button does not take it off, just gives wider limits. A Procedure https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=12099.msg82987#msg82987 (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=12099.msg82987#msg82987) is needed every time you start the car. It doesn't matter so much in dry summer conditions, but in winter the system interfering driving becomes really annoying.
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RDMS, how can it be regarded as a safety feature, if when driving down country lanes, it try’s to steer away from the grass verge and into the path of an oncoming car.
I could live with it, if it was under the ultimate control of the driver, ie, not having to disable it every time I start the car.
No, it’s not for me and I hate with a passion, particularly when I occasionally forget to disable it! 😳
Agreed 100%. I forgot to switch it off last week and it gave a wobble on an icy road - very disconcerting. This system needs scrapping as it offers no value whatsoever.
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RDMS, how can it be regarded as a safety feature, if when driving down country lanes, it try’s to steer away from the grass verge and into the path of an oncoming car.
I could live with it, if it was under the ultimate control of the driver, ie, not having to disable it every time I start the car.
No, it’s not for me and I hate with a passion, particularly when I occasionally forget to disable it! 😳
Agreed 100%. I forgot to switch it off last week and it gave a wobble on an icy road - very disconcerting. This system needs scrapping as it offers no value whatsoever.
Don't blame the system for your country "roads", -"lanes", or whatever name you use for these trails. ;D
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I think there have been enough complaints about RDMS to allow us to criticise it and not blame road quality.
It's the only annoying thing I can really moan about. It's also generating complaints on the Civic forum so it's a widespread issue. I also remember looking on the HondaUK rev8ews section and the most complained about feature was ...... have a guess.
I haven't encountered it but the reports of it trying to steer away from a verge and into the path of an approaching vehicle sounds dangerous.
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Let's call this "roads" or "lanes":
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and blame "the system" (RDMS) for this:
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We’re obviously not talking about the same thing. The ‘lanes’ shown will not allow any form of passing, one driver would have to reverse to a suitable ‘passing place’ or whatever.
The lanes I am talking about are wide enough to allow two cars to pass each other, but to increase the safety gap, it is natural to move over as far to the near side as possible, something which RDMS has a problem with!
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Yes, number 1 is just a farm track. No public roads in the UK are as bad as that, not even in the Scottish Highlands.
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The lanes I am talking about are wide enough to allow two cars to pass each other, but to increase the safety gap, it is natural to move over as far to the near side as possible, something which RDMS has a problem with!
Aha... something like a real, but rather narrow road... And you know there are three ways NOT to activate RDMS there?
1. Turn it off (how has been explained many times here).
2. With oncoming traffic it doesn't work below 30 km/h / 18 mph, so slow down.
3. Or use your turn signal for a moment at higher speed.
And then of course there is always option 4: let it annoy you for a moment and show who's boss. (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/boese/k014.gif)
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Yes, number 1 is just a farm track. No public roads in the UK are as bad as that, not even in the Scottish Highlands.
@ Jocko: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bazrichardson/16497882991
A farm track with traffic signs? ???
Cornish country lane
The lanes in Cornwall are notoriously narrow and twisty, normally with high banks on either side and few passing spaces. Woe betide you if a farm vehicle is coming the other way. There is only one way to drive down them - slowly. It is of course a lot safer at night when the glow from the headlights of an approaching vehicle can be seen long before you see the vehicle itself. This lane is about a mile from Lerryn in south-east Cornwall.
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That is an unclassified road. ie a farm track. The sign will be to tell you you are joining a classified road.
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Aha... so 1 is an unclassified road, but 2, 3 (and 4) are supposed to be "classified" (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/a014.gif) roads?
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More than likely.
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I have no problem with RDMS. It does exactly what it supposed to do and does not cause any problems at all for me.
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You must be one of the very few that can get on with it.
For me, anything that affects the steering, when I’m not expecting it, is a ‘no no’ for me.
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You must be one of the very few that can get on with it.
For me, anything that affects the steering, when I’m not expecting it, is a ‘no no’ for me.
You are very tolerant! ;)
For me, anything that disputes or disturbs my sole command of the vehicle, is an annoyance.
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Same here, I take pride in my driving (IAM member) and if I cross a white line without indicating I have a valid safe reason for doing so. I don't need my steering wobbling and an orange dash warning.
However, those that like it, fair enough.
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Another thing is updating the built in sat nav. I did this successfully on my Mk3 but it was about as far from straightforward as you could possibly get involving memory sticks, lap top computers, keeping the engine running whilst you download the updates. It's doable but the process has to be relearnt the next time you need to update. It's easy to see why people use google maps or waze on their smartphone.
To add insult to injury, my local dealer charges £114 plus VAT to do it for you - no thanks - I'd rather get lost.
Fortunately I very rarely go somewhere I haven't already been these days. I know some people like and, indeed, need traffic updates but that isn't a major issue for me.
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For me, anything that affects the steering, when I’m not expecting it, is a ‘no no’ for me.
And this is where (in my opinion) you and many other commenters here go wrong: You should/could know what to expect!
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You must be one of the very few that can get on with it.
For me, anything that affects the steering, when I’m not expecting it, is a ‘no no’ for me.
You are very tolerant! ;)
For me, anything that disputes or disturbs my sole command of the vehicle, is an annoyance.
I don't think there is anything to be tolerant about.
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For me, anything that disputes or disturbs my sole command of the vehicle, is an annoyance.
RDMS disputes or disturbs your sole command of the vehicle and is an annoyance.
CMBS (Collision Mitigation Braking System) also disputes/disturbs your command of the vehicle by preventing you from or reducing the severity of a collision. A real annoyance!
Like lane keeping assist, blind spot information or the cross traffic monitor, really annoying, those vibrations, beeps and orange flashes!
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RDMS disputes or disturbs your sole command of the vehicle and is an annoyance.
CMBS (Collision Mitigation Braking System) also disputes/disturbs your command of the vehicle by preventing you from or reducing the severity of a collision. A real annoyance!
Like lane keeping assist, blind spot information or the cross traffic monitor, really annoying, those vibrations, beeps and orange flashes!
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No disrespect but it seems you can't argue with someone who thinks they are always right.
I'm fairly sure if there was a vote on the subject of these disturbances, I know what answer would be ........
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For me, anything that affects the steering, when I’m not expecting it, is a ‘no no’ for me.
And this is where (in my opinion) you and many other commenters here go wrong: You should/could know what to expect!
... I'm a voter that is in in favour of RDMS but can't quite get behind your statement there. The system still can go off script occasionally and 'wobble' the steering wheel when there is no reasonable expectation of it doing so.
The other times I agree that it is inevitable it will activate and should not come as a surprise to anyone.
The fact is that unless you are not holding the steering wheel at all it isn't going to deviate the car's direction from the driver's intended course. The 'wobble' just isn't strong enough to beat two hands on the wheel even with a light grip.
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To add insult to injury, my local dealer charges £114 plus VAT to do it for you - no thanks - I'd rather get lost.
There are Honda dealers and Honda dealers: Ours did it for free/thank you... (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/verschiedene/a014.gif)
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The system still can go off script occasionally and 'wobble' the steering wheel when there is no reasonable expectation of it doing so.
Possibly... but I've never experienced that in almost 16 months.
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...I think you are in a select group of one! ;D
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Yes, number 1 is just a farm track. No public roads in the UK are as bad as that, not even in the Scottish Highlands.
I've driven on public roads like that in England often because the satnav thinks it is the best route. Scotland has its own interesting roads, notably the A roads which are single carriageway with passing places.
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...I think you are in a select group of one! ;D
You mean that group that (even at my age(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/figuren/a045.gif)) quickly adapts to new things? :P
I had hoped and expected that group would be (much) larger than one... I am even sure it is!
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To add insult to injury, my local dealer charges £114 plus VAT to do it for you - no thanks - I'd rather get lost.
There are Honda dealers and Honda dealers: Ours did it for free/thank you... (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/verschiedene/a014.gif)
That's good. When I complained about this a year or two ago somebody told me that it was a "software update" and should be free. I'm not sure Honda dealers here in the UK see it that way unfortunately. I'd be interested to hear from any UK owner who has had their built in sat nav updated for free. It would be ammunition if nothing else.
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...I think you are in a select group of one! ;D
You mean that group that (even at my age(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/figuren/a045.gif)) quickly adapts to new things? :P
I had hoped and expected that group would be (much) larger than one... I am even sure it is!
Interesting point about the age thing. I have a friend who recently bought a smart phone because Liverpool FC now insist on electronic admission to the stadium. You load the ticket to your phone's wallet - Apple Pay or such like and a scanner at the turnstile lets you in. He hates his smart phone with a passion. He still has an old Nokia that he uses to make very occasional phone calls and he slings his smartphone in a draw after every match. He calls us "the forgotten generation." He is a bit older than me.
I have never thought of myself as a luddite but I find most new technology increases complexity rather than reduces it. There are some very clever people in the tech industries and they are designing products with zero consideration for user friendliness given that it is impossible for them to conceive of organisms with smaller brains than them or, indeed, old shrivelled ones. My TV can be operated by voice controls. I tried it once, it went absolutely haywire and I had to get my son-in-law to sort it out.
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Despite being 74 I would not be without my Smartphone. I don't use it for everything it can do but I use it for banking, loyalty cards, email, Whatsapp and Hive, as well as phoning and text.
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Despite being 74
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Despite being 74?
I would say: just because you (and I) are 74! During all those years one had to learn new things all the time. So, very experienced!
Moreover, now a lot of free time as a pensioner, so even if it all takes a bit longer: no problem, right? :D
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Quite possibly. As an electronics/electrical engineer I have always had to learn new things. I started on valves then went onto transistors before DIL devices to microprocessors.
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The one thing I will never do on a phone, or tablet, is banking or anything security related.
That's a job for an ethernet connected PC with multi layer protection in my book.
Maybe just me though.
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For me, anything that disputes or disturbs my sole command of the vehicle, is an annoyance.
RDMS disputes or disturbs your sole command of the vehicle and is an annoyance.
CMBS (Collision Mitigation Braking System) also disputes/disturbs your command of the vehicle by preventing you from or reducing the severity of a collision. A real annoyance!
Like lane keeping assist, blind spot information or the cross traffic monitor, really annoying, those vibrations, beeps and orange flashes!
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Exactly! And I would add low temp warning, seat belt warning, open door warning etc. I hate those beeps and flashes.
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Scotland has its own interesting roads, notably the A roads which are single carriageway with passing places.
Yes, I've experienced them :o
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The lack of power at low revs on the MK3
Also when using the paddles it pulls away in 1st gear but I think on the MK 2 it pulled away in 2nd
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...I think you are in a select group of one! ;D
You mean that group that (even at my age(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/figuren/a045.gif)) quickly adapts to new things? :P
I had hoped and expected that group would be (much) larger than one... I am even sure it is!
It is at least two.
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Despite being 74 I would not be without my Smartphone. I don't use it for everything it can do but I use it for banking, loyalty cards, email, Whatsapp and Hive, as well as phoning and text.
Me too. My friend who hates his is now 80. He can do email - I get emails from him from time to time - but he struggles with anything else. My wife, like me 74, is a complete technophobe. She can't use any IT apart from contactless payments and turning the TV on and off.
I think there is, amongst some people, something bordering on resentment that old and essentially very simple ways of doing things have been scrapped in favour of complex information technology. Darwin might have something to say about this :)
I was interested the other day to hear a much younger person express "hatred" (yes that was the word he used) for IT. He runs an interesting You Tube car channel - High Peak Autos - and this is based largely on cars that pass through his used car business. He occasionally rants and raves about electronic handbrakes and other things.
Finally, on smartphones, I need to replace mine at some stage. This is something I am dreading - the last time I changed it took me days, weeks even, to transfer stuff to the new device and I lost a lot of stuff as well. I almost clubbed to death a person who told me it was a simple matter of connecting the 2 phones together or, even, allowing them to communicate with each other via bluetooth or some such. To validate my frustration I googled the issue and I am not alone let's say!!
In my working life I remember speaking to an IT professional about a new system being installed at work. He said that, often, the best people to speak to an IT providers are technophobes who will simply say "I want it to do this with no requirement to go on training courses or read manuals." He said that, too often, prospective purchasers of IT systems will deploy their own experts who will not accurately reflect the end user. Interesting point I thought.
Rant over - wasn't this about cars? :D