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Title: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Jocko on May 31, 2022, 03:37:39 PM
Today I topped up my tank, the first since the 7th of April, and was astounded to find it cost me £60.40. It wasn't even as if the tank was empty. I remember the first time I had to pay £5 for a gallon in a remote highland town but today it was £8 for a gallon, just outside Edinburgh. When I first started driving it was 22p a gallon (4/4d).
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: trebor1652 on May 31, 2022, 03:45:48 PM
Can't remember the cost of a gallon when I first started to drive, but I do remember getting a half tank of fuel for 10 shillings (50p for you youngsters).
When did we start paying for a litre and not a gallon?

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Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Jocko on May 31, 2022, 04:24:19 PM
When did we start paying for a litre and not a gallon?
Petrol has been sold in the UK since the mid-1980s in litres, as opposed to gallons. The Tory Government then made an order in 1988 that relaxed the requirement to have petrol displayed in both litres and gallons.
The gallon was then phased out completely by first of January 95, although realistically it had been more or less phased out by this time
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Jocko on May 31, 2022, 04:26:04 PM
My petrol today was 175.9p/litre - £8 per gallon - and this was at my local Tesco supermarket. I hate to think what Shell would be charging.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Kremmen on May 31, 2022, 04:55:07 PM
It's getting close to £7.50 a gallon for unleaded.

I could fill my Mini from almost empty in 1971 for £1 10s
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: olduser1 on May 31, 2022, 05:04:44 PM
Maybe the increase suits the Lobbyists, who don't drive, they can almost prove that ev costs less than petrol diesel vehicles - dream on . Another example if top down laws to restrict the freedom of people in UK & EU.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: E27006 on May 31, 2022, 05:12:17 PM
The price of petrol is high, but unthinking wastage carries on, the local school, the mothers arrive and drop-off the children, the mothers then socialise for 15 to  20 minutes, leaving their the car engines running burning fuel and polluting, the street is signposted, to turn off engines outside the school to reduce pollution, but the signs are ignored.
The pricepoint of fuel, to induce those women to curb their wasteful habits, what is the pricepoint ? £10 / gallon, £20 / gallon.  Comments please.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Jazzik on June 01, 2022, 01:11:45 PM
The pricepoint of fuel, to induce those women to curb their wasteful habits, what is the pricepoint ? £10 / gallon, £20 / gallon.  Comments please.

Maybe better a brain transplant...  :'(
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: trebor1652 on June 01, 2022, 01:19:17 PM
I read somewhere that the US pay 4 dollars a gallon works out about £3.20.
Doesn't seem fair does it?

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Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: JimSh on June 01, 2022, 01:25:12 PM
It's getting close to £7.50 a gallon for unleaded.

I could fill my Mini from almost empty in 1971 for £1 10s

It was 5 bob a gallon for long enough.
That's 25p per gallon or about 5p per litre.
That's not coming back even if Rees- Mogg wants to revert to imperial measures.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Pine on June 01, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
I was in the USA at the beginning of May visiting my daughter and her husband.  The gas guzzling SUV I was travelling in needed filling 3 times in a week. Taking into account the different size of a US gallon and an imperial gallon the equivalent price for an imperial gallon would be £3.90, or 86p per litre.

The price of used vehicles in the US is surprisingly high and many of them have done mega mileages, it is a big country after all.  We had a day out to the neighbouring town, it didn't look far on the map but it was 90 miles there and 90 miles back. The 4 litre 15 year old Ford SUV belonging to my daughter has done 225000.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: olduser1 on June 01, 2022, 02:45:18 PM
It's all relative to what drivers willing to pay Egypt 35p per litre but in Venezuela you can have a bath for under £1.00, it's 2p per per litre. Now why doesn't our Govt swop fresh water for fuel? I just wonder......
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Kenneve on June 01, 2022, 07:51:29 PM
Not just petrol of course, but also energy in terms of Gas/Electricity.
I've just been informed that my energy bill is likely to double in October, to an estimated £2800/year.

Now, given that the government regards people spending more that 10% of income on energy, as being in energy poverty.

How many pensioners and others do you know, on an income of £28000+ per year?
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Westy36 on July 08, 2022, 11:02:01 AM
According to this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61750251 we are being taken to the cleaners by the refineries.

"On the 8 June 2021, refiners were making $9.26 per barrel from refining petrol, and $6.84 per barrel refining diesel. On Wednesday, they were making $43.11 on petrol, up 366%, and $51.13 on diesel, up 648%."

366% increase? 648% for the black stuff? Criminal.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Kremmen on July 08, 2022, 11:17:59 AM
I read that.

At its peak oil was $128 a barrel. It's currently $104 but the retailers are still raising prices.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Westy36 on July 08, 2022, 11:35:37 AM
The CMA has launched a market study. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/review-finds-cause-for-concern-in-some-parts-of-road-fuel-market

Why has it taken so long for the CMA to act? Why aren't the refineries margins capped?

The likes Helge Lund of BP and Darren Woods of Exxonmobil should be bought to account for their companies actions. I've read time and again of the impact of fuel prices. People sleeping in cars because they cannot afford the commute and similar. Forecourt drive offs and abuse at record levels. It has such a huge impact on society.

HMRC mileage rates have only just increased by a paltry 3ppm. The govt is so slow to react to current prices.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: peteo48 on July 08, 2022, 01:30:51 PM
There's something dodgy going on that's for sure. The pound has been a bit weak against the dollar so that's an extra thing behind higher prices but you can't help thinking that the oil companies are trying to recoup profit losses from during the pandemic. Even the large supermarket chains are unwilling to cut prices or offer extra nectar/clubcard points. You never get coupons for 10 pence a litre off either (that may be because margins are being squeezed elsewhere).

There doesn't appear to be any real competition.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: olduser1 on July 08, 2022, 04:45:12 PM
Fuel suppliers in the 1990's stopped smaller garages refilling by demanding a minimum delivery of 1000+ litres, hence the demise of many independent garages filling stations. I reckon there are 3 or 4 big players for fuel in UK, no wonder we are paying by post code . I plan my longer trips around Costco sites saving around 10p p litre. We should just stop filing up for any fuel to give these people a jolt.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Kremmen on July 08, 2022, 04:48:13 PM
Remember when supermarkets entered the fuel business and the big boys had to drop their excessive prices to match.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Westy36 on July 14, 2022, 09:55:05 AM
Thought occured to me, is there perhaps a link between the massive refinery rip off and the recent windfall tax imposed on the oil companies?
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Kremmen on July 15, 2022, 06:16:08 AM
Now down to ~$95 a barrel, pre invasion prices but still it stays high
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Westy36 on July 15, 2022, 08:54:11 AM
So that would put e10 about £1.50 litre? Rocket and feather pricing again.  >:(
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: embee on July 15, 2022, 09:22:26 AM
Thought occured to me, is there perhaps a link between the massive refinery rip off and the recent windfall tax imposed on the oil companies?

Never mind the windfall tax on the oil companies, think of the take being made by the treasury, fuel duty and VAT.
Duty is 53p (near enough), and then you pay VAT on the fuel cost PLUS the duty (tax on tax, except legally/technically duty isn't tax, is it?). At £1-89 pump price that's about 85p to the government per litre. Kerching.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: peteo48 on July 15, 2022, 01:41:20 PM
Just noticed that the cheapest garage near me has edged the price down by 1 pence a litre since earlier this week (the Irish company Apple Green). £1.879 per litre for E10.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: olduser1 on July 15, 2022, 02:14:14 PM
Costco Liverpool & Chester 182.9p unleaded
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: JimSh on July 15, 2022, 04:31:22 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cheapest-petrol-station-trago-mills-devon-b2124136.html

How near would you have to be to break even if you had a Mark 4 Jazz and were willing to drive at 50mph with A/C set at 25 degrees?
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: peteo48 on July 15, 2022, 05:08:11 PM
Costco Liverpool & Chester 182.9p unleaded

That's good. I'm a not a member of Costco but I would be if there was one nearby. I think my nearest is about 12 miles away and I am not often in that area.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Kremmen on July 22, 2022, 08:38:24 AM
I see a small number of independent garages are selling petrol at circa £1.60 a litre saying that they are still making their usual profit.

They are saying supermarkets must be profiteering at £1.80+ a litre.

I suspect a cartel going on here as all supermarkets seem to be at the higher end.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Westy36 on July 22, 2022, 11:58:39 AM
Really? £1.60 a litre? Blimey, haven't seen anything like that in sleepy Suffolk. My local Texaco has dropped a paltry 2p a litre. 
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Kremmen on July 22, 2022, 12:01:08 PM
Just one, featured on the BBC, but I've read of 2 others recently.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-62242678
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: peteo48 on July 22, 2022, 01:31:37 PM
It is edging down. £186.9 in the supermarkets round our way.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Bazzzer on July 22, 2022, 03:30:07 PM
I saw 2 or 3 places selling at under 180p in rural Wales yesterday.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Jocko on July 22, 2022, 05:03:27 PM
Yesterday, I paid 192.9p/litre for 97 RON E5 at my local Tesco in Dalkeith. I originally went to Asda but they don't sell E5 and I never noticed their prices. Too busy looking for a pump with two green hoses.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Westy36 on July 25, 2022, 02:46:06 PM
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/family-run-petrol-station-selling-168p-fuel-083627654.html

Come on UK petrol retailers.....play fair for a change.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Kremmen on July 25, 2022, 03:00:38 PM
I wonder if supermarkets are using the extra 20p a litre profit to help reduce and compete with food prices ?
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: olduser1 on July 26, 2022, 08:28:42 AM
Liverpool Costco
173.9p unleaded E10
183.9p super e5
My Subaru runs fine on the e5 saving 22p over local S**** v power.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Westy36 on July 31, 2022, 03:23:52 PM
Our local Asda has E10 now at £1.78 a litre. I know they're still ripping me off at that price, but it is so nice to finally see some reductions.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: peteo48 on July 31, 2022, 04:02:53 PM
Yes - some movement at last. Local Sainsburys at £1.799 - Warrington.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: olduser1 on July 31, 2022, 06:17:39 PM
Costco unleaded 168.9p , only another 69p to go ...
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: bobby boy on August 01, 2022, 12:33:21 PM
Asda Dewsbury E10 169.7 last friday.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Westy36 on August 01, 2022, 04:53:51 PM
Asda Dewsbury E10 169.7 last friday.
That surprises me. I thought Asda had a national pricing policy, sure I read that somewhere.

RAC in the news, our govt has among the lowest fuel tax cuts in europe: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62371732

"This analysis lays bare an uncomfortable truth for the UK government - that compared to other European countries, it's pretty much done the least to support drivers through the current period of record high fuel prices," said RAC fuel spokesman Simon Williams."
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Kremmen on August 02, 2022, 09:00:34 AM
Just been released, BP six monthly profit circa £15bn
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Westy36 on August 11, 2022, 11:13:26 PM
£1.73 today at Texaco yet oil at $95 a barrel? We should be paying circa £1.25 now. Ms Truss will be along shortly to sort this scandal out soon? lol.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Westy36 on September 02, 2022, 09:05:29 PM
Filled up today £1.62. Murco garage Woolpit, Suffolk.

Cheapest E10 I've found in months. Goes to prove 99.9% of garages are having it away and ripping us all off.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: embee on September 16, 2022, 05:00:25 PM
Filled up with E10-95RON in France at Eu1-36/litre a couple of days ago, that's around £1-25. Macron doubled the state discount to 30c/litre.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Jayt43 on September 16, 2022, 09:17:04 PM
Hungary's fuel price is among the cheapest in the EU. For both Diesel and E-10 unleaded the price is currently £1.03 per litre. This is for Hungarian registered cars only. Foreign vehicles have to pay approx. £1.35 per litre.

The price cap was introduced in November 2021 and due to be phased out in October.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: richardfrost on September 16, 2022, 09:32:27 PM
On holiday in Scotland at the moment and was amazed to see E10 at 160.9p on Skye.

Until I saw it yesterday at Dunoon at 149.9p! Will be filling up there in the morning before getting the ferry across to Gourlock.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Lord Voltermore on September 18, 2022, 09:47:57 AM
Look on the bright side.  When i recently drove across Europe  seeing various  high petrol prices I was quite pleasantly surprised at the price when I got back to the UK  . I was expecting it to be much higher.  :o

When I bought my first motorbike at the age of 16 (a Honda !)  petrol was  6 shillings and 6 pence a Gallon   (£0.0725 a litre)      But I only earned £8 a week (and I worked full time  in the City of London)      so a weeks wage would buy me 110 litres

At  £1.65 a litre  110 litres would cost  £181.      Currently the average  wage for 16/17 year olds is about £209 per week.           So adjusted for inflation/earnings  Petrol is still cheaper than it was when I was nowt but a lad.  I havnt done any research but there must be countries  in Europe where a much bigger proportion of their wages goes on petrol than it does in the uk  (for now)

I also console myself with the fact that at an average of 68.8 mpg my mk 4  is using half as much petrol as many cars, so in terms of petrol cost per mile  they are paying twice as much as me. :P   
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: olduser1 on September 18, 2022, 06:36:52 PM
£1.51-9p unleaded Costco Liverpool this wk, good enough to enjoy 200 mile trip into Wales, very little traffic.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Neil Ives on September 20, 2022, 07:07:51 PM
I was driving on the M5 motorway today. The low fuel warning sign came on. I filled up at a motorway service station. It cost £74!  >:(

I should have just put a few litres in and filled up away from the motorway.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: aphybrid on September 21, 2022, 08:47:34 AM
£1.619 central Perthshire on 15/9
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: richardfrost on September 21, 2022, 09:06:57 AM
I’m still driving around on that 149.9p Jet fuel I got in Dunoon. Got me all the way home to West Yorkshire with half a tank still remaining. Think it has hit around 161.9 in West Yorkshire now.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Westy36 on September 21, 2022, 09:28:54 AM
£1.49 !! Blimey, all my local stations are still at £1.68. Ouch.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: mitchelln on September 21, 2022, 11:13:26 AM
They're paying 98p a litre in Australia.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Lord Voltermore on September 21, 2022, 03:14:31 PM
They're paying 98p a litre in Australia.
And 74p in Russia 
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: embee on September 21, 2022, 04:57:37 PM
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: peteo48 on September 21, 2022, 05:56:00 PM
In Scotland it does seem a bit cheaper. We've been up in Dumfries and Galloway as recently as last week and we paid £1-59 for Shell Fuel Saver (E10). That's what Sainsbury's are selling E10 for in Warrington.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: olduser1 on September 21, 2022, 06:42:26 PM
Interesting we are off to Kirkcudbright soon, whereabouts was the Shell £1.59 ?
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: peteo48 on September 22, 2022, 12:38:29 PM
This was just outside Newton Stewart - can't remember the exact location. We had got lost earlier due to the sat nav signal dropping out.

PS

https://find.shell.com/gb/fuel/12833397-wigtown-road-services
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Kremmen on September 22, 2022, 01:29:16 PM
Sainsbury near(ish) to Heathrow was showing £1.60 for E10 yesterday.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: olduser1 on September 22, 2022, 05:26:15 PM
Thanks peto48
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: bobby boy on September 22, 2022, 07:40:47 PM
Asda Dewsbury £1.567 today.
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Lord Voltermore on September 25, 2022, 05:03:45 PM
Oil is bought in US dollars.   £1 = 1.17$ on 12 sept,  !.13$ on 22 sept, now its 1.09 $    .     Or put another way  ,at todays  $ price for a barrel of crude  , it would have cost about  £73 in August and  £79 today.

(Maybe the quasi chancellor will one day say " here is the sick squid I owe you" -pay me back  over the next 10 years. )

Ho hum.   
Title: Re: The frightening cost of petrol.
Post by: Wilmo on September 25, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
Ask your pension fund which petrochemical companies are in your portfolio and how much they contribute to the fund value
Might change your attitude then?