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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: sportse on October 23, 2021, 12:57:52 PM
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For those that have already had a service, how many miles had you done when the car said it was due please?
I’ve only done 4,000 miles so far but the car is saying under 6 months left now until the first service.
I do mainly motorway driving, so the petrol engine is running a lot but 8,000 miles between services seems low.
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My information is that Honda requires service every 20.000 kilometres (12500 miles) or every year, what comes first.
So, even when you drove only 2000 miles in a year Honda wants to service your Jazz... ???
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Service has to be done annually at least, mine had 4.5K on the clock at the first service just before the anniversary of the date first registered
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Yes, a service once a year is always recommended.
On my Toyota hybrid, the service intervals were one year or 12,500 miles.
But on the Jazz it seems to have variable servicing depending on how the car is driven. Short trips/motorway driving will likely require servicing in less than the standard mileage.
I’ve been watching the time to service display and it has been going down more than the months that have passed, so must be adjusting for different driving conditions.
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I done 14900km and next monday exactly 12 month from car purchase - most of my jorneys 8-10 km with speed ~40-50km/h sometime driving at 80-90 km/h for 120-300km
My Jazz still not asking for service .....
My Jazz is Elegance.
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I bought my Jazz 2 months ago, the mileage was 8 and showing 360 days to service…
Now, 2 months and 4000 miles later it shows only 170 days left until service.
Probably 80-90% is motorway driving at 70mph (113kph.)
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My dealer told me 12500 miles or 12 months whichever comes first , but you are allowed to go up to a 1000 miles over on mileage ,or book in for service a month early or late without affecting the warranty.
He also said that due to complaints about early service reminders the system had been disabled on my car and I would be reminded by their service department. I think he said it is now Honda policy to disable this by default. . There is a tick box printed in the service book which shows whether or not the system is disabled on that particular car. (next to the pre delivery dealers stamp)
My only concern is whether the system will still warn me if the oil level is getting low (not just the oil pressure warning light ! ) Of course I can use the dipstick but the handbook says oil consumption can be up to 1 litre per 1000km (625 miles) I have been known to do that in a day. (To be fair my Toyota Yaris handbook quoted the same oil consumption but never used much oil.)
The oil is not available everywhere. Should I buy a litre, or a 4 -5 litre container?
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Exactly the same issue on the Civic and dealers mostly didn't activate it.
I'm sure if it does start to nag before the due date or mileage you can reset it.
Mine will be one year as I'm very low mileage now.
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My dealer told me 12500 miles or 12 months whichever comes first , but you are allowed to go up to a 1000 miles over on mileage ,or book in for service a month early or late without affecting the warranty.
He also said that due to complaints about early service reminders the system had been disabled on my car and I would be reminded by their service department. I think he said it is now Honda policy to disable this by default. . There is a tick box printed in the service book which shows whether or not the system is disabled on that particular car. (next to the pre delivery dealers stamp)
My only concern is whether the system will still warn me if the oil level is getting low (not just the oil pressure warning light ! ) Of course I can use the dipstick but the handbook says oil consumption can be up to 1 litre per 1000km (625 miles) I have been known to do that in a day. (To be fair my Toyota Yaris handbook quoted the same oil consumption but never used much oil.)
The oil is not available everywhere. Should I buy a litre, or a 4 -5 litre container?
I was able to get a top up 1 litre bottle from the dealer.
After 4000 miles, the oil is still at the top of the dipstick so it hasn’t used any.
It’s very difficult to read the oil level though , particularly when the oil is new and clear as it doesn’t really show well on the plastic measuring part of the dipstick.
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My dealer told me 12500 miles or 12 months whichever comes first , but you are allowed to go up to a 1000 miles over on mileage ,or book in for service a month early or late without affecting the warranty.
He also said that due to complaints about early service reminders the system had been disabled on my car and I would be reminded by their service department. I think he said it is now Honda policy to disable this by default. . There is a tick box printed in the service book which shows whether or not the system is disabled on that particular car. (next to the pre delivery dealers stamp)
My only concern is whether the system will still warn me if the oil level is getting low (not just the oil pressure warning light ! ) Of course I can use the dipstick but the handbook says oil consumption can be up to 1 litre per 1000km (625 miles) I have been known to do that in a day. (To be fair my Toyota Yaris handbook quoted the same oil consumption but never used much oil.)
The oil is not available everywhere. Should I buy a litre, or a 4 -5 litre container?
I was able to get a top up 1 litre bottle from the dealer.
After 4000 miles, the oil is still at the top of the dipstick so it hasn’t used any.
It’s very difficult to read the oil level though , particularly when the oil is new and clear as it doesn’t really show well on the plastic measuring part of the dipstick.
Thats good. I already have a garage full of unsuitable oil left over from earlier cars! I'll get a litre for now and see how it goes
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It’s very difficult to read the oil level though , particularly when the oil is new and clear as it doesn’t really show well on the plastic measuring part of the dipstick.
Get a piece of folder toilet paper ready, and when you pull the dipstick out put the end flat on the paper, the oil will show up - the oil stain does start to spread after a short time, but plenty time for you to check.
You should actually take the dipstick out and wipe it clean first, and then put back ion to take 'proper' reading, this is because oil splashes onto dipstick when engine running and may not drain off completely.
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It’s very difficult to read the oil level though , particularly when the oil is new and clear as it doesn’t really show well on the plastic measuring part of the dipstick.
Get a piece of folder toilet paper ready, and when you pull the dipstick out put the end flat on the paper, the oil will show up - the oil stain does start to spread after a short time, but plenty time for you to check.
You should actually take the dipstick out and wipe it clean first, and then put back ion to take 'proper' reading, this is because oil splashes onto dipstick when engine running and may not drain off completely.
Thanks, yes I’d had to do that initially as the oil was completely clear to start with.
The plastic dipstick end is a bit unusual as I hadn’t seen this before.
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I've always asked for the variable service reminder system to be off so I'm on the annual service which is least time-wasting for both me and the dealer. Imagine going for an oil change one week which if followed shortly afterwards by a message to get something else done, etc. Less wasteful in consumables perhaps but more wasteful in time and fuel.
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My last Jazz Hybrid (65 reg) I bought with 1250 miles on it but it had already had 2 services, at 900 and 1200 miles, and I became the 3rd owner whilst the car was only 2 years old.
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I've always asked for the variable service reminder system to be off so I'm on the annual service which is least time-wasting for both me and the dealer. Imagine going for an oil change one week which if followed shortly afterwards by a message to get something else done, etc. Less wasteful in consumables perhaps but more wasteful in time and fuel.
At least the Honda one seems to be just a days left indicator based on usage - I know people with BMW's who have had the car at the dealer for service only to have to return a few weeks later because the car said something else now needed serviced.
Based on my mileage of maybe 15,000pa motorway, it looks like the Jazz may require serviced every 6/7 months based on the variable interval - I'll see about having it changed at the first service.
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My dealer told me 12500 miles or 12 months whichever comes first , but you are allowed to go up to a 1000 miles over on mileage ,or book in for service a month early or late without affecting the warranty.
He also said that due to complaints about early service reminders the system had been disabled on my car and I would be reminded by their service department. I think he said it is now Honda policy to disable this by default. . There is a tick box printed in the service book which shows whether or not the system is disabled on that particular car. (next to the pre delivery dealers stamp)
My only concern is whether the system will still warn me if the oil level is getting low (not just the oil pressure warning light ! ) Of course I can use the dipstick but the handbook says oil consumption can be up to 1 litre per 1000km (625 miles) I have been known to do that in a day. (To be fair my Toyota Yaris handbook quoted the same oil consumption but never used much oil.)
The oil is not available everywhere. Should I buy a litre, or a 4 -5 litre container?
Our dealer not informing costumers that this service minder not enabled.
But wat's i found in internet - if service minder enabled by dealer and then disabled it will not be activated later !!!
and stop working if 12v battery disconnected for quit long time and should be switched back on by dealer.
Done first service 2 days ago
Damn this first service cost me 241$ - change oil and oil filter, swapping tires, brake inspection.
every time i checked oil level it stayed on MAX
usage of car in town mostly all time with trips 8-12km, sometimes long trips with speed 80-100 km/h
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Dealers will be inundated with calls in the fixed servicing areas as it seems it will trigger before the annual service date.
AFAIK the reminder is for dusty and extreme climate countries.
I doubt the dealer would carry out more than 5 services under my free 5 years servicing plan.
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Yes, I think my 5 ‘years’ of servicing will be gone in under 3 as it’s just 5 visits.
Motorway driving is supposed to cause lower wear than city driving yet the days left to service is dropping faster than the days every time I check.
On my last car it was on fixed servicing and the dash display told you both how many months and how many miles were left - whichever came first was when you had to take it in.
At least the Honda servicing prices when the 5 services are done aren’t too bad. A full service is around £300 - half of what they charged for my Volvo V40(Ford Focus)
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I've just checked my Service Book and it does look like I am under the SvRS system.
However, there are no stamps on any page including the PDI checklist. I am a very low mileage owner so it'll be interesting to see what pops up first and will prompt me to phone them at that time.
When collected it was showing 360 days which is 29th August 2022
It's now showing 290 days which is the 15th August 2022 ....... even though I've only done 400 miles !!!
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I've just done the maths ......
At my current weekly mileage and based on the current daily drop :
Each day, the maintenance reminder, on average, is subtracting 1.2 days, taken from my current period. I've lost 14 additional days in 70 days of ownership.
At that rate my reminder is going to popup on the 23rd Apr next year - surely that can't be right ?
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I have emailed 3 local Honda dealers in the last couple of days to see if they can change my Jazz to fixed interval service... no replies yet.
Based on my calculations, and mostly motorway driving, it's looking like a service will be due around 7,500-8,000 miles - way before the time it should be due at IIRC 12,000 miles pa.
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Done first service 2 days ago
Damn this first service cost me 241$ - change oil and oil filter, swapping tires, brake inspection.
I know swopping tyres is recommended, but personally I'd rather they didnt. Better I think to replace 2 front tyres early, with the rears possibly outlasting my ownership of the car. . If they all wear equally I might need to replace all four tyres not long before I sell the car.
But I may be a bit old fashioned. I always believed its better to have your best remaining tread depth on the front. But apparently tyre experts now say its better to have the most tread on the rears. So I suppose equal tread all round is better still.
t probably wont affect me personally. I often drive in Germany etc and I plan to get a second set of wheels on winter tyres (probably all season winter legal) A big initial outlay but from past experience I know sharing tyre wear over two sets makes it unlikely I will need to replace any.
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I've just done the maths ......
At my current weekly mileage and based on the current daily drop :
Each day, the maintenance reminder, on average, is subtracting 1.2 days, taken from my current period. I've lost 14 additional days in 70 days of ownership.
At that rate my reminder is going to popup on the 23rd Apr next year - surely that can't be right ?
I have to say I am confused! I thought the 5 year service plan was just that. Honda service the car within the 5 year term and up to 62,500 miles. It is in their interest (for low mileage users) to do just an annual service. Why bring it forward? Surely any car doing say 4000 miles a year doesn’t need servicing more than every 12 months?
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I've just done the maths ......
At my current weekly mileage and based on the current daily drop :
Each day, the maintenance reminder, on average, is subtracting 1.2 days, taken from my current period. I've lost 14 additional days in 70 days of ownership.
At that rate my reminder is going to popup on the 23rd Apr next year - surely that can't be right ?
I have to say I am confused! I thought the 5 year service plan was just that. Honda service the car within the 5 year term and up to 62,500 miles. It is in their interest (for low mileage users) to do just an annual service. Why bring it forward? Surely any car doing say 4000 miles a year doesn’t need servicing more than every 12 months?
With most manufacturers it is only 4 services for 5 years cover, however the website says 'exactly the same as 5 separate services'
but I also managed to find some rough small print on the website:
"*‘FIVE’ five years' Servicing includes: All scheduled servicing, as detailed in the vehicle service book, will be covered for 5 years from the date of registration or 62,500 miles - whichever comes first."
https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/campaigns/five-servicing.html
However, I couldn't find detailed T&C's.
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I managed to find the detailed T&C's but they aren't clear either:
https://www.honda.co.uk/content/dam/local/uk/cars/Terms-and-conditions/AUTO%20CARE%20PACKAGE%20(HMG)%20Honda%205%20year%20Care%20Package%20-%20June%202021%20update.pdf
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Having just checked my car it is showing 240 days (so approx 8 months) till next service. Having owned the car 4 months this is what I would expect and my annual mileage will be about 4000 miles. But I remain confused about variable servicing. I have emailed the supplying dealer for clarification.
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Over the last 8 weeks of ownership I've only done 400 miles. These have been 90% 50mph and 60mph along the M4 smart roadworks.
I've also been out to mine and had a look at the Maintenance Reminder area.
Given my low mileage I saw no issue with trying the reset options. After each one I went back to the main screen and it wasn't until I reset the 'Chassis Inspection' that it reverted from 290 days back to 360 days.
I will now monitor it for the next few weeks and see how it goes. Next time I'll reset the chassis inspection first and the oil & filter second.
Given that on the anniversary date next year it will only be on circa 3,000 miles max, I really don't see the need to change oil in April at circa 2,000 miles, assuming the days to go continues to drop faster than expected.
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I've just done the maths ......
At my current weekly mileage and based on the current daily drop :
Each day, the maintenance reminder, on average, is subtracting 1.2 days, taken from my current period. I've lost 14 additional days in 70 days of ownership.
At that rate my reminder is going to popup on the 23rd Apr next year - surely that can't be right ?
I think that maybe happening if journeys shorter then 7 km, this can be judge by minder as hard working condition.
If this minder not just counts days from first drive date, but collecting engine load and RPM, coolant temperature, outside temperature, traveled distance and maybe also oil quality check if there fitted sensor.
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My car displayed service due shortly message around 10,000 miles mark. The detailed maintenance display obtained from the scroll wheel menu stated 30 days and dealer confirmed 12500 miles or one year, whichever arrives sooner. The display shows type B service due, which is little more than oil and filter, covered by the 5 year service plan.
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All my journeys have been 30 miles / 48 km. I drive from near Heathrow to Reading and back most weekends.
As I said, I have powered up, in the garage, quite a few times to check things and perform various setup tweaks. That's maybe what's caused the drop.
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I have used the 5 year service package on both a Mk2 and a Mk3, covering around 10,000 miles per annum. In both cases, the system was set for annual servicing, regardless of patterns of driving. The dealer set it up this way and reminds me when a service is due.
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The T&C's of the 5 year service plan are not clear at all - one way of reading it is that it covers all servicing up to 60k miles or 5 years whichever occurs first.
Then in different places it says 5 services (which would be 6 years of cover as service 5 would cover you for year six)
But, if the terms are as many services as required up to 60k miles then what happens if someone's car says it needs a service every 5k miles? Will they do 12 services for free?
Whatever happens, it's great value at what they are charging us but Honda could lose loads of money as their terms are so vague.
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This seems like the thread of confusion! My service book shows the car to be on variable servicing, which appears to be the default. The car service indicator shows 240 days till service required. Does not display letters A,B,C etc as the handbook suggests. However 240 days is approx 8 months at which point the car will be 12 months old, so looks like fixed servicing?
I have emailed the supplying dealer asking confirmation that the car is on fixed servicing. Still awaiting a reply.
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The days left seems very inconsistent- mine has been on 150 days for over a week, but the week before it dropped 30 days.
I’ve contacted the servicing company to see how many services are included, will let you know when I hear back.
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Well, one small step forward. Service Department of supplying Dealer has confirmed my car is on 12 months or 12500 miles service interval. So the car service indicator showing 240 days to service is correct. The service handbook showing the car is on variable servicing is incorrect. Shame they didn’t update the service book during PDI.
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What's good for the goose .......
Mine will be booked in for mid August by which time it will likely be on about 2.5k miles.
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10 weeks old now, mileage just about to hit 5k due to regular trips and a few holidays.
Car did say 150 days to service on Tuesday, but is down to 140 days today.
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Yes, it's all over the shop.
I doubt Honda will complain if I adopt 12,500 miles or 1 year. I always thought variable servicing was for extreme or dusty climates.
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I’ve had it confirmed by Honda:
“The plan covers for the 5 Honda scheduled manufacturers services.”
So it’s actually six years cover.
They don’t seem to know about variable servicing though, as they still say 12.5k miles/1 year per service!
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Looks like the time to service indicator might be like the trip counter - estimated based on miles travelled in the last few days/weeks.
I didn’t drive my Jazz for 10 days and the time to service has gone up to 170 days.
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I'm going to leave mine now until I get any messages.
When I first got it I did spend quite a bit of time, in the garage, with the power on but not going anywhere, just tweaking setting, etc. The engine kicked in every now and again and I reckon it used that as a short journey log.
Since I've reset it I've done nothing unusual so it should be behaving.
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Going backwards… don’t drive for 10 days and my time to service increases by 30 days.
Drive the car 50 miles today and at the end of the journey I’ve gained another 10 days!
Now on 180 days to service instead of 140 a fortnight ago.
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Sounds like one of those early Texas Instruments calculators ;)
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With my first service due next week, I’d say the so called ‘variable’ servicing isn’t and the mileage left to service display can be ignored until it actually comes up with a warning message ‘service due soon’ on the dash.
I think all it is doing is looking at how many miles you have travelled in the last few days, then assuming you will do the same miles every week going forwards.
When you get the warning message, it then counts down from 30 days but even that is based on mileage as my display went down 2 days in one morning.
They do say that the 30 day counter is estimated in the manual, but should really also say that about the normal days to service indicator which I’ve had go both up and down by 30 days since buying the car.
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FYI when the first warning comes up it takes over the dashboard with a big message to tell you that a service is due within 30 days.
It’s not something I’d have thought essential during a journey - mine came up on the motorway.
Just a first message on startup would be fine, as most cars.
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When I first got mine, during the lengthy setup I noticed the days to next service was 360. Fair enough, a year.
Within a few weeks it had gone down to 190 so I reset it.
I haven't touched it since but 5 months and 1,000 miles after the reset it's showing 240 days.
It'll get serviced in August anyway but I can't fathom the logic.
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I think it rounds up as well to the nearest 10 days and can vary from one to the other.
My display was showing 30 days to service for some time before it pinged up the service due warning and started counting down in days below 30.
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When I dropped off my car for servicing the dealer said they can switch the cars to standard fixed servicing instead of the 'variable' servicing if you want.
If you have the 5 year service plan it covers all servicing as required up to either 5 years or 62500 miles, whichever comes first.
You may want to switch to fixed 12 months/12.5k miles depending on your mileage.
For the last few weeks I have had a bong and a big message every time I start the car saying 'service due' which doesn't go away unless you clear it.
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You can reset it yourself to max.
I can't see an issue in the UK with our fixed time/mileage
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You can reset it yourself to max.
I can't see an issue in the UK with our fixed time/mileage
Yes, it's a strange variable servicing system - in the service book it says some Hondas have an oil quality measurement system but the Jazz just seems to guess when a service is due based on average mileage as there is no oil quality display.
I wonder if the service detail list (it's supposed to also tell you what's needed at the service) is just based on the standard service plan rather than actually measuring the air filters/etc for dirt?
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I wonder if the service detail list (it's supposed to also tell you what's needed at the service) is just based on the standard service plan rather than actually measuring the air filters/etc for dirt?
I'd be surprised if there are sensors to measure if an air /pollen filter needs changing. They may schedule a visual inspection that allows discretion on whether or not it needs changing.
Cynical me thinks some may not bother checking at all, saving themselves time and few quid on parts. If you subsequently complain its chocked full of dead moths, they will argue it was inspected but within limits. . Unless its you paying for the parts, in which case they will probably find they need changing whatever state its in. ;)
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After picking up my car the service reminder said 190 days to service… initially I thought they’d forgotten to reset it, but if I do the same monthly mileage as before that would actually be correct.
I think the days to service is just an estimate based on miles rather than through sensors.
It goes up if you haven’t driven much in the last few weeks.
It will be interesting to see if the car says it needs air filters next time, as they are on the service schedule- if it does, it’s likely just programmed to ask for them every second service.
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Confirmed it’s just a computer guess at how many days you have left for service, so ignore and assume 12 months/12.5k miles unless you get the 30 day warning.
I didn’t drive much the last week and time to service went up from 190 to 210 days - if it was based on oil conditions/etc it would have gone down.