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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 => Topic started by: D3DSL on May 08, 2021, 06:55:21 PM
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The tyres on my 57 Jazz are in great condition (Vred Quadtrac 3s) with plenty of tread and no cracking/crazing, but they are going to be over 11 years old going by the date stamp so might be about time to think of a change. I don’t want to spend a fortune on tyres as I may be given the green light to replace her hopefully in the not too distant fortune, it would hurt to chop her with a full set of expensive booties. Plus the car is a second car and not doing much in the way of mileage, a couple of thousand miles a year in “normal” times, with lockdowns I last filled her up in August!
So to my question. Has anyone any recommendations for budget tyres for the old girl, ideally in the £40 - £50 area? These tyres won’t need to be the best or the most efficient or the quietest or the fastest, just for pootling around and the most arduous task they will have is getting me to the gym and back. Winter conditions aren’t an issue as I have a Karoq 4x4 on full winters for when it’s snowy or icy, if I need to venture out. The rims on the Jazz are the standard SE type with 185/55/15.
Thoughts oh frugal tyre buyers out there?
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My son just put a pair of part worns on the front for £50 all in. Not sure what they are but they’re a matching pair. I have had Landsail tyres in the past and they have been Ok.
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Good question. I have always been of the mind of buying decent mid range tyres or cheap premium items. I looked at strange branded tyres with suspicion and a cost saving that I would file under false economy. However, last year I bought an old Astra MK4 and ran it for 6 months. It came fitted with cheapo tyres, Aptamy and another brand I can't recall, and I must say I was impressed with them. They gripped really well in the wet and were very quiet.
Would I buy them out of choice now? Well, I would certainly be less sceptical based on the recent Astra experience. They were not terrible tyres by any stretch of the imagination.
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Never thought of the part worn route, will have a look but I suspect that once I’ve gotten 4 from eBay, then with fitting, they won’t be much cheaper than budgets.
Have heard of Landsail, but not Aptamy, will keep an eye out for them. Genesys XP1s, £40 from ATS, get mixed reviews with “would you buy them again?” Getting all responses from “definitely” to “definitely not”. ;D
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Kwik Fit are selling Yokohama Bluearth ES32 (as fitted to new Jazz) for £50 each. I had them last time and they were brilliant.
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The tyres on my 57 Jazz are in great condition (Vred Quadtrac 3s) with plenty of tread and no cracking/crazing, but they are going to be over 11 years old going by the date stamp so might be about time to think of a change. I don’t want to spend a fortune on tyres as I may be given the green light to replace her hopefully in the not too distant fortune, it would hurt to chop her with a full set of expensive booties. Plus the car is a second car and not doing much in the way of mileage, a couple of thousand miles a year in “normal” times, with lockdowns I last filled her up in August!
So to my question. Has anyone any recommendations for budget tyres for the old girl, ideally in the £40 - £50 area? These tyres won’t need to be the best or the most efficient or the quietest or the fastest, just for pootling around and the most arduous task they will have is getting me to the gym and back. Winter conditions aren’t an issue as I have a Karoq 4x4 on full winters for when it’s snowy or icy, if I need to venture out. The rims on the Jazz are the standard SE type with 185/55/15.
Thoughts oh frugal tyre buyers out there?
I am aware of the date stamp on the tyre wall and the recommendation to change tyres when they are 6 years old.
You have inspected the current tyres, found them to be free of defects, so is there a need to change them?
Regarding Landsail tyres, I used to work for a company with a big fleet of Astra vans , rules for replacement tyres were limited to Bridgestone, Continental and a couple of others I cannot recall, but in essence, no budget tyres permitted. One driver, his van only a months from retirement from the fleet, needed new tyres, they fitted Landsail tyres to save money. The driver was so unhappy with the roadholding of the vehicle with Landsails, he raised grievances under Health and Safety concerns. He described the grip of Landsails as if a hairbrush on a glass table
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Kwik Fit are selling Yokohama Bluearth ES32 (as fitted to new Jazz) for £50 each. I had them last time and they were brilliant.
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Part worn would frighten me. Why are they for sale, write off ?
If they've been bumped up and down kerbs, like I see a lot, then the tyre wall may be weak.
Not for me as I never skimp with tyres or brakes.
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Agreed re part worns, I’d have no idea re abuse that they’ve had. That idea wouldn’t fly with SWMBO as well, her standards a tad higher than mine.
Re the tyres on there, last time I looked they were perfect. I’ve just had to swap out the factory fitted Michelins on SWMBO’s GE Jazz due to crazing, just under 10 years old but kept in a dark cupboard for half of that when winter tyres were fitted.
The most recent pic of the old Jazz’z tyres, just taken so I can get the size correct.
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Kwik Fit are selling Yokohama Bluearth ES32 (as fitted to new Jazz) for £50 each. I had them last time and they were brilliant.
£73.50 in 185/55 15. I know not much in the grand scheme of things so added to the “possible maybe” list. Thanks.
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Agreed re part worns, I’d have no idea re abuse that they’ve had. That idea wouldn’t fly with SWMBO as well, her standards a tad higher than mine.
Re the tyres on there, last time I looked they were perfect. I’ve just had to swap out the factory fitted Michelins on SWMBO’s GE Jazz due to crazing, just under 10 years old but kept in a dark cupboard for half of that when winter tyres were fitted.
The most recent pic of the old Jazz’z tyres, just taken so I can get the size correct.
Using a tyre keeps the cracks away ( it keeps the plasticisers in the right place ), excessive cleaning may cause cracks. Tyres left in the dark still crack so the culprit is not entirely sunlight. I would never, ever, ever buy part worn, as said earlier you have no idea of their previous treatment.
https://bridgestone-mea.com/en/discover/why-do-car-tyres-crack
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The tyres on my 57 Jazz are in great condition (Vred Quadtrac 3s) with plenty of tread and no cracking/crazing, but they are going to be over 11 years old going by the date stamp so might be about time to think of a change. I don’t want to spend a fortune on tyres as I may be given the green light to replace her hopefully in the not too distant fortune, it would hurt to chop her with a full set of expensive booties. Plus the car is a second car and not doing much in the way of mileage, a couple of thousand miles a year in “normal” times, with lockdowns I last filled her up in August!
So to my question. Has anyone any recommendations for budget tyres for the old girl, ideally in the £40 - £50 area? These tyres won’t need to be the best or the most efficient or the quietest or the fastest, just for pootling around and the most arduous task they will have is getting me to the gym and back. Winter conditions aren’t an issue as I have a Karoq 4x4 on full winters for when it’s snowy or icy, if I need to venture out. The rims on the Jazz are the standard SE type with 185/55/15.
Thoughts oh frugal tyre buyers out there?
I am aware of the date stamp on the tyre wall and the recommendation to change tyres when they are 6 years old.
You have inspected the current tyres, found them to be free of defects, so is there a need to change them?
Regarding Landsail tyres, I used to work for a company with a big fleet of Astra vans , rules for replacement tyres were limited to Bridgestone, Continental and a couple of others I cannot recall, but in essence, no budget tyres permitted. One driver, his van only a months from retirement from the fleet, needed new tyres, they fitted Landsail tyres to save money. The driver was so unhappy with the roadholding of the vehicle with Landsails, he raised grievances under Health and Safety concerns. He described the grip of Landsails as if a hairbrush on a glass table
That 'new tyre' you are buying can legally be sold as 'new' up to 5 years after it was made :o So check the date on tyre.....
https://www.kwik-fit.com/tyres/information/tyre-age
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For anyone who wouldn't consider either part worn or re-tread tyres because they're "unsafe", I hope you don't find out what many airliners and cargo aircraft and LGV's have fitted as routine!
It's all down to various factors such as the vehicle usage and quality of the tyres. I personally would want new tyres on my cars, but that's due to how I use the vehicles. I suspect that many people have tyres fitted and don't give them much thought after that, and don't even check the inflation pressures regularly.
On both of my cars I regularly remove the wheels for all-round cleaning and close inspection as I regard them as one of the most vital items on a car that help to keep me (and others) safe.
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excessive cleaning may cause cracks.
No danger there!! ;) ;)
Understood re not being used. Unfortunately, well for the Jazz not us, we have done 2 x 6 months travelling so she was standing still, plus not used for the last 6 months so that’s not going to help. It’s amazing with the abuse she’s had that she even speaks to me!! Saying that, she’s sat without a battery as leaving that last one connected for 6 months managed to kill it. >:(
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I would rather my son hadn't put the part worns on but money is tight for him as they have a baby on the way and he has just started a new business. I reconciled myself with the thought that come November, before the baby comes, I will probably gift them a set of new all season tyres, if not a newer Jazz.
With regards the story about the Landsails, I'm not the sort of person that listens to the tale of a friend of a friend who used something in a different context. I went to my local tyre fitter when I had my HRV and wanted to order top brand Winters on which they could have made a fair markup. He persuaded me that given my driving profile and the type of car, the Landsails would be totally adequate. I have to say they were very impressive. But as I say, they were Winter tyres.
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If your existing tyres show no sign of deterioration and have plenty of tread, I'd not bother replacing them.
I am riding on 14yr old tyres that are perfectly fine.
As for part worn, a cheap friend of mine has always bought part worn for the past 20 odd years I've known him and never had any problems.
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If your existing tyres show no sign of deterioration and have plenty of tread, I'd not bother replacing them.
I am riding on 14yr old tyres that are perfectly fine.
As for part worn, a cheap friend of mine has always bought part worn for the past 20 odd years I've known him and never had any problems.
If part-worn tyres were banned, then every used car sale would have to be retyred as a condition of te sale.
There are videos on youtube where budget tyres from China are tested against better known makes, there is a clear difference between a £35 to £40 Chinese tyre and a £50 to £60 tyre in terms of wet conditions of the grip and braking performance. I would just pay the £15 to £20 extra for the peace of mind.
Note in the video, the recomndation for Toyo tyres, checking mytyres, where I source tyres fro all my vehicles, Toyo tyres in 185/55 x R15 sizes are £54 to £60 each
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There are many conflicting views on this, but for what it's worth, I would never, ever buy part-worn tyres - having spun off the M1 motorway many years ago, my father and I learned a very valuable lesson in tyre purchase - which was reinforced by a mechanic friend of mine I met since then who has one firm piece of advice - 'if nothing else, buy the best quality tyres you can afford as these are the things you reply on to stop and which may prevent you from having a very serious accident.'
Also - tyres do have a lifespan (rubber degrades over time even if unused) of somewhere between 6 and 10 years (you can find out the date of manufacture from the DOT reference on the side of the tyre). Unless I had no other option, I would never purchase a tyre that I intended to use immediately if it was more than 6 years old (and for all normal purchases, I would only purchase a tyre that has been manufactured in the last 12/18 months).
In recent years, the best performing and most durable brand I have used is Michelin - I had a set of Michelin Primacy tyres on my old Mini Cooper which lasted 25,000 miles - the extra cost was wholly worth it and proved to be considerably more economical than the cheaper tyres I have purchased in the past. When my current Michelin Energy Saver tyres wear out (just purchased a Honda Jazz 69 plate so they have very little wear), I'm going to fit Michelin CrossClimate tyres - there are a lot of excellent reviews about these online.
One final thing - in recent years I've started to purchase tyres online through BlackCircles (after having researched a lot of similar retailers) - and have made significant savings - you buy online and book into a local garage - never had any problems and would thoroughly recommend them.
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...I would never, ever buy part-worn tyres...just purchased a Honda Jazz 69 plate
You just purchased four part worn tyres.
The assumption seems to be that part worn tyres are half bald, have 18 puncture repairs and are some crappy brand. Well that is not always the case. I think you need to use a little common sense and don't let the tyre fitter shove any old thing on. For £25 per tyre, fitted, my lad is legal on the road. When the time comes, I will treat the Jazz to new shoes.
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First of all you have to ask why the tyres were removed from original vehicle and are being sold separately. My bro in law bought part worn and got a blowout, luckily not going fast or on a 'smart motorway' but inspection showed pre-existing damage to sidewall.
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Hi Richard - no the assumption from me is that the tyres have plenty of tread left and are from a top-quality brand. But it's a personal choice and I recognise that my experience (one tyre suffering a complete blow-out on the M1) and the advice from the experienced mechanic I know have heavily swayed my opinion.
A brand-new Michelin Cross Climate from BlackCircles costs about £83 for 185/60 R15 (fitted price). I could buy a lot cheaper and get a decent quality part-worn tyre fitted for about £30 - but as I see it, I value my life at more than the £53 extra per tyre I'd pay (or £212 for all four).
This isn't a dig at others who chose part-worn tyres - they are just the maxims that I live by. I recognise that others have purchased decent part worn tyres and never experienced a problem.
The only other piece of advice I have been given from my mechanic friend is that just because a car is legal on the road with an MOT or minimum tread of 1.6mm doesn't mean that it is safe.
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But how do you judge the 4 partly worn tyres on your 69 plate Jazz? You have no history for these tyres. That's my point really. At least the part worn tyres can be assessed off the rim by the tyre fitter. Tyres coming with a second hand car are assumed to be fine, but they should be considered part worn and given a good look at, in my opinion.
Having said all of this, as I stated in my first reply, I personally would have bought brand new. I'm just trying to balance the argument.
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It is an interesting point about tyres on a second hand car. I purchased one a while ago with 4 matching tyres from the same manufacturer.
I was puzzled that the two rear tyres were worn to indicate they had been run over inflated. One did not have a DOT mark.
Otherwise, they looked fine if a little wonky.
My suspicion, now, is that they were all replaced by the dealer as those on the car may have been U/S.
I now have new tyres from the same manufacturer. They are all wearing evenly.
So you don't know what you are inheriting!
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Hi Richard - you're quite correct in that you can't trust tyres on a used car for sale, but I would personally tend to have more faith in some new(ish) original tyres on a 1-year old car where I can make an assessment about how that car has been driven and whether it has been in any accidents (and also cross-reference the DOT code against the age of the car). There is no ability to do this on part-worn tyres for sale through a third party.
On the other hand, I recognise that on older used cars for sale it may be almost impossible to assess how the tyres have been used or whether they have been in an accident on another vehicle - when I have encountered this (and where I don't know the seller personally), I have subsequently replaced all 4-tyres as soon as finances allowed, irrespective of the tread left on them or the manufacturer (and factored that into the payment price) - just for my piece of mind and all that. The M1 spin-off left me acutely aware that it only takes one tyre to blow-out to put your life at risk (and/or somebody else's), no matter how safe or responsible the driver.
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just because a car is legal on the road with an MOT or minimum tread of 1.6mm doesn't mean that it is safe.
I never run a tyre below 3mm and many companies and car hires change them before that. It is those 4 and 5 mm treaded tyres that meet the used tyre market.
Kirkcaldy used to be known by the local tyre fitters as Remould City. With high unemployment and low wages it was the best many car owners could afford.
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Yes - the RAC and other organisations recommend that you never go below 3mm which sounds reasonable to me.
You're also right that finances restrict the options available to many people - many have no choice but to take a calculated risk with part-worn tyres and remoulds (and which is why I wouldn't criticise anyone for taking this option).
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Kwik Fit are selling Yokohama Bluearth ES32 (as fitted to new Jazz) for £50 each. I had them last time and they were brilliant.
I have these on our Jazz and I agree with Jocko, excellent tyres for the money, no Chinese death rings for me!
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I was so enamoured with the Yokohama Bluearth ES32 tyres I had on the Jazz that when I needed to replace them I went for Yokohama Bluearth 4S, the all-season tyre, and I am thrilled with them too.
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Kirkcaldy...
I've been there once in 1975. A workmate and I had travelled up to Scotland for a fortnight touring/golfing.
It was a Sunday, our day had started at Moffat and we reached Kinghorn during the morning, had a round of golf, and were fortunate to find a pub open there for a pint and some lunch. We played another round in the afternoon and afterwards found ourselves in Kirkcaldy, presumably our campsite was near there.
It being a Sunday, we were not too hopeful of finding anywhere open to buy something to eat. We walked up one side of the deserted main street, past the cinema which had a metal gate locked across its entrance, crossed over and walked back along the other side. We eventually reached a Chinese restaurant at 7.10pm. There was a door with some stairs beyond. On the door was a notice "Couples only after 7pm". The waiter inside refused to serve us as it was just after 7pm and we were not a couple, so we had to have a takeaway to eat in the car.
The cinema - I'm not sure if it was the Regal or the Rialto - was showing the film called The Land that Time Forgot
which we thought was quite appropriate!
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I am riding on 14yr old tyres that are perfectly fine.
There are proposals to make tyres over 10 years old a "fail" rather than just an advisory.
I discovered while on the M50 that having lots of tread on an old tyre doesn't make it safe. Luckily, I wasn't on the M5.
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If your existing tyres show no sign of deterioration and have plenty of tread, I'd not bother replacing them.
I am riding on 14yr old tyres that are perfectly fine.
As for part worn, a cheap friend of mine has always bought part worn for the past 20 odd years I've known him and never had any problems.
You have absolutely no idea whether or not they have any deterioration, it isn't always obvious.
Some years ago I purchased a one owner 10 year old sports car with 8k miles on the clock fitted with original tyres. I asked my friend, who owned a garage, to replace them with new tyres. He firstly demonstrated to me why I should replace them, he bounced a new tyre down the garage and it flew up into the air and then did the same with the 10 year old tyre and it bounced about 6 inches from the floor. The tyre carcass had hardened over the years and they had lost flexibility and were fit for the bin. The difference in ride quality and steering feel was a revelation. Visual inspection proved nothing.
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Good to see there’s a good variation in views on tyres, exactly the same as in other car based forums infrequent! Many thanks all. 👍
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Don't know if it's still the case, but a lot of used tyres were imported from Germany where the laws on tyres fitted to a car are much stricter than here. It is not permitted to have different brands on an axle for example, and winter tyres are compulsory. I've certainly seen plenty of UK cars fitted with 3 "regular" and one winter tyre which almost certainly came from a "part worn" supplier.
As said by others, carcasses and rubber compounds harden with time, a 10yr old tyre may look perfectly OK but it won't perform like a new one regardless of the make or how it's been used or stored.
I recently changed the tyres on one of my bikes. It does few miles and while they were less than 1/2 worn they were about 7yrs old. Compared to the new ones the old tyres were like wood, pushing a thumbnail into the tread showed the old and new to be like chalk and cheese (or rubber and wood even).
If cost was crucial I would choose the cheapest new tyre rather than any used "part worn" item, but each to their own choice. I understand not everyone has the luxury of a few ££ spare cash.
Personally I tend to look at the marginal cost of things. I've made the mistake in the past of not paying an extra 10% for the premium brand, and regretting it. The more something costs the more inclined I am to paying extra for the premium version, I usually soon forget the extra cost but I'm reminded of the lower quality every time I use an item (a reworded version of a classic statement). Of course everyone has to work within their budget.
Remember, the tyres are what take you directly to the scene of the accident.
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I have wondered, given my recent experience with cheapo Chinese tyre on the old Astra I ran for 6 months, how they compare to branded technology of say 20yrs ago? Eg is todays Aptamy/Landsail etc as good as a Dunlop from year 2000? Are they really that bad?
Given the number of cars I see parked up with bald tyres, it's clear that for a fair proportion of the motoring public tyres are only checked at MOT time by the tester.
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...I would never, ever buy part-worn tyres...just purchased a Honda Jazz 69 plate
You just purchased four part worn tyres.
The assumption seems to be that part worn tyres are half bald, have 18 puncture repairs and are some crappy brand. Well that is not always the case. I think you need to use a little common sense and don't let the tyre fitter shove any old thing on. For £25 per tyre, fitted, my lad is legal on the road. When the time comes, I will treat the Jazz to new shoes.
We had to part exchange our car during the lockdown for a Honda Approved jazz with 20K. 4 months later it went in for the mot and needed 4 new tyres due to tread damage from possibly driving on sharp stones.. Whilst annoyed for being sold in this condition I was at least happy to have it rectified.
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When I think of part-worn I don't mean those on a used car but those that have, for some unknown reason, been removed from a wheel and being sold separately .......... why ?
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I've found cheap Chinese unknown brands to be very long lasting but offer poor grip, particularly in the wet, presumably they use a cheaper rubber compound which has these attributes.
I bought an older Civic 2 years ago with 18” nearly new Landsail tyres all round on it, they seemed really good to be fair, I couldn't find any issues with them. I only changed them as I wanted to put on some standard 16" Honda alloys, I bought the Honda alloys 2nd hand with used tyres already on them, 2 needed replacing fairly soon afterwards due to punctures (just bad luck), I replaced them with Avon's from black circles (£110 for the pair) the other 2 original tyres are still on there providing good service, when they wear out I'll replace with Avon's to have them all the same.
The current owner of my old 2003 Jazz just replaced all 4 tyres on it with Bridgestones for £210, don't know where he got them.
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When I think of part-worn I don't mean those on a used car but those that have, for some unknown reason, been removed from a wheel and being sold separately .......... why ?
I know there used to be a lot imported from Germany because they have a 3mm tread limit and replace sooner. Some Brits are happy to run on slicks!
I would have thought that another source would be salvage cars, written off by accident or mechanical. Doesn't take much to write a car off these days.
@MicktheMonster - I've bought Avon tyres many times. Always found them to be great. :D
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@MicktheMonster - I've bought Avon tyres many times. Always found them to be great. :D
We have Avon tyres on both cars and motorbikes, noticed that the Avons grip is great in the wet. Avon Storm 3D are a great dual compound motorbike tyre ( the centre is harder than the shoulders to resist flattening of the tyre shape ) - some users report 12 to 15,000 miles from them - which is huge for motorbike rubber.
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Most tyres have a Tread Wear Rating on them.
Used mostly in USA but tyres (tires) don't mind what country they are in and tyres most have them marked on the tyre wall.
Much maligned in UK but a good guide to tyre wear none the less.
This is quite a good article on the subject:
https://www.tirebuyer.com/education/utqg-rating#:~:text=In%20basic%20terms%2C%20and%20in,a%20%22200%22%20rated%20tire.
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Most tyres have a Tread Wear Rating on them.
Used mostly in USA but tyres (tires) don't mind what country they are in and tyres most have them marked on the tyre wall.
Much maligned in UK but a good guide to tyre wear none the less.
This is quite a good article on the subject:
https://www.tirebuyer.com/education/utqg-rating#:~:text=In%20basic%20terms%2C%20and%20in,a%20%22200%22%20rated%20tire.
Higher treadwear usually means harder compound = less grip. I used to get Michelin ES+ tyres when I did a lot of miles, but did notice lack of grip in some situations ( ABS worked hard on damp / wet roads and VSA worked hard on pulling away on some junctions ) - now I am doing about 5K a year I find the Avon tyres hardly bother the ABS or VSA in same circumstances and places that Michelin tyres did, and as I use Nokian tyres for 6 months of the year the Avons will never wear out despite being a lower treadwear number. I have deliberately done crash stops on wet roads with Avons and ABS hardly woke up, just one or two interventions, doing the same with Michelins resulted in a lot more action. The Avons steer better than the Michelins as well ( they always felt a bit 'squirmy' - maybe the super soft sidewall had something to do with it ).
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I think Culzean is spot on over the mileage/grip trade off. My annual mileage is so small that even the Dunlop SP2030s made of playdough are going to last me 4 years on the front.
One thing that's always interested me is this - how do car manufacturers allocate tyre brands? If you bought a new Mk3 in SE trim you would get Michelin Energy Savers. The EX comes with Dunlop SP2030s. The only theory I've come up with is that the SE has 15 inch wheels so the hardness of the Michelins have less of an effect on ride comfort. The EX has 16 inch wheels so a softer tyre is installed to mitigate the effect larger wheels can have on ride comfort.
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Car manufacturers (assemblers?) often don't put all their eggs in one basket so split suppliers between models. If you get a hold up in parts supply it doesn't necessarily bring the line to a halt if you have Just-in-time build (parts arrive for the cars as you build them, no significant stock held). They can switch build schedules.
I was never involved with chassis stuff at car manufacturers, but I know different markets had different tyres even for the same model/spec.