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Title: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Jazzik on March 23, 2022, 07:54:26 PM
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https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/civic/353293/new-2022-honda-civic-ehev-hybrid-revealed-europe

Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Jocko on March 23, 2022, 08:40:56 PM
That looks sweet.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Kremmen on March 24, 2022, 04:02:00 AM
There's already moans from the 'I demand a manual gearbox' brigade.

As 2030 approaches and all UK new cars will be EV they need to accept 2 pedals is the future.

As for me, the Civic has gone from a medium sector car to a large family so too big for me.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: sportse on March 24, 2022, 05:52:09 AM
One thing Iíve noticed from Honda marketing:

Jazz - RDMS

HRV - improved RDMS

Civic - further improved RDMS

A software update for jazz would be good, according to Honda we are two behind now.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: John Ratsey on March 24, 2022, 08:27:27 AM
As for me, the Civic has gone from a medium sector car to a large family so too big for me.
20 or more years ago it was a small car: There's not much difference in size or appearance between the last of the small Civics and the Mk 1 Jazz.

The size and profile will result in it being a lower drag, better motorway cruiser than the Jazz.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Karoq on March 24, 2022, 09:46:39 AM
Shame they didn't put the Civic engine in the HR-V! :'(
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Eros on March 24, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
One thing Iíve noticed from Honda marketing:

Jazz - RDMS

HRV - improved RDMS

Civic - further improved RDMS

A software update for jazz would be good, according to Honda we are two behind now.

What the RDMS stands for?
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: shufty on March 24, 2022, 11:00:19 AM
...Road Departure Mitigation System.

Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Kremmen on March 24, 2022, 11:42:04 AM
I only go out when it's quiet and I can cut corners to smooth the drive. That often involves driving over white lines and as I've posted before, I don't see the point in driving along Scalextric style when I can see a clear road for hundreds of yards both front and back.

No matter what they do to RDMS I'll be turning it off.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Steve_M on March 24, 2022, 12:02:11 PM
Shame they didn't put the Civic engine in the HR-V! :'(

That's surly more likely in the new SUV

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/357643/honda-announces-new-suv-2023
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: sportse on March 24, 2022, 12:37:08 PM
Shame they didn't put the Civic engine in the HR-V! :'(
The engine seems to be very similar to the one in the CRV with around 180hp hybrid.

I was surprised to find that you can actually get a base CRV for the same price as a higher model HRV.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Lord Voltermore on March 24, 2022, 05:24:20 PM
I only go out when it's quiet and I can cut corners to smooth the drive. That often involves driving over white lines and as I've posted before, I don't see the point in driving along Scalextric style when I can see a clear road for hundreds of yards both front and back.

No matter what they do to RDMS I'll be turning it off.
I have just been on a long trip mostly on fast winding  B roads with a  centre line. I deliberately put RDMS to the test by straightening bends even more than I usually  do. I frequently crossed  the centre line, drove  on the wrong  side to see round bends etc. Without using indicators.

 Not once did RDMS react to my  crossing the centre line .

The steering only twitched slightly 2 or 3 times on the whole trip, but in other circumstances where intervention was to be expected.

Lets hope the Jazz can be upgraded just by a software update.  But the later cars may have upgraded camera hardware. 

Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Jazzik on March 24, 2022, 06:15:19 PM
Not once did RDMS react to my  crossing the centre line .

The steering only twitched slightly 2 or 3 times on the whole trip, but in other circumstances where intervention was to be expected.

That seems very peculiar to me! :o There must be something very wrong.
RDMS in our Jazz does exactly what you can/should expect when you steer across the line or almost into the verge.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: sportse on March 24, 2022, 06:55:34 PM
There seems to be quite a variation in the quality of safety sense systems between different Jazz models for ACC, RDMS and LKAS - some owners are having completely different experiences.

Maybe different software / hardware versions? When I asked about a software update for mine, they said there wasn't one.

My RDMS will pitch you away from what it thinks as the road edge, or from a white centre line.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Jazzik on March 24, 2022, 06:58:58 PM
My RDMS will pitch you away from what it thinks as the road edge, or from a white centre line.

Exactly! The same as ours! As it should be!
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Karoq on March 25, 2022, 10:13:53 AM
Shame they didn't put the Civic engine in the HR-V! :'(
The engine seems to be very similar to the one in the CRV with around 180hp hybrid.

I was surprised to find that you can actually get a base CRV for the same price as a higher model HRV.
I looked at CR-Vs while I waited for the HR-V but the base model is seriously 'underwhelming' in terms of 'gizzmology' and home comforts (heated seats etc) and more thirsty than the HR-V.
The top spec HR-V 'Style' has a lot of stuff I don't want. 'Banging' stereo, revolting salmon pink trim round the gear stick and a LOT more money than my 'Advance'.

I consider the HR-V to be the best of the 79 cars I have owned. Any 'dislikes' I may have are very minor and do nothing to spoil the enjoyment of the car.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Jayt43 on March 25, 2022, 10:16:11 AM
79??? Wow!
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: shufty on March 25, 2022, 02:27:54 PM
...Oh and the new Civic doesn't look half bad, especially in that blue...
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: sportse on March 25, 2022, 03:01:50 PM
...Oh and the new Civic doesn't look half bad, especially in that blue...

I've been following the new civic for some time through tests in American car magazines - they're impressed with it.

It will be interesting to see how the 180hp hybrid compares to other models.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Skyline84 on March 25, 2022, 04:45:14 PM
I appreciate the fact that Honda have kept physical HVAC controls on their latest models, and have not followed the (unsafe) trend of most other manufacturers with touch screen buttons and sliders.

Overall I quite like the shape and styling, although hopefully the upcoming Type R will have some visual flair.

I'm also interested to hear how the 2.0l engine combined with 2 electric motors feels, I have read that the 1.5l hybrid system in the Jazz and CR-V received some criticism (although some of that might be down to the CVT gearbox).
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: John Ratsey on March 26, 2022, 08:46:28 AM
I'm also interested to hear how the 2.0l engine combined with 2 electric motors feels, I have read that the 1.5l hybrid system in the Jazz and CR-V received some criticism (although some of that might be down to the CVT gearbox).
Honda caused a lot of confusion by describing the transmission of the current hybrids as "e-CVT". Yes, it is continuously variable but there is no traditional gearbox with the matching of engine and vehicle speeds done by electronics. If you haven't seen this then it's worth watching:


The 1.5 litre Atkinson cycle engine as in the Jazz and HR-V has to work quite hard under load but is very efficient under average conditions. The larger engine in the new Civic probably gives better economy under load but less economical under light loading. The Civic will probably be more economical for faster cruising and less suitable for urban driving.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: sportse on March 31, 2022, 11:43:17 AM
I had a gen 10 loan civic yesterday but found it to be incredibly low.

Even with the drivers seat at the highest setting it was way too low for me.

Toyota did the same thing with the Corolla but at least with the seat on maximum it was just about acceptable.

I donít know what market they are going for - families will have trouble lowering children in/lifting them out, and older drivers wonít be able to get out if they can get in.

Auto express reporting today that the base model without metallic paint likely to be around  £29k.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Expatman on March 31, 2022, 12:57:29 PM
The market for higher seating cars was led by SUVís but rapidly expanded to crossovers and other vehicles. I am an "oldieĒ so find the higher seating position much easier to get into/out of. My neighbour has 3 young children and has just changed her hatchback for a crossover - Seat I think - and the reason was getting the children into and out of their seats was so much less strain on the back with a higher seated car. Now says she finds it much better and also the children can see much more because of their elevated seating position. Lower sleeker cars are fine for the young 20+ year olds and for sports saloons and open top cars but the move to higher riding cars is only going to accelerate - helped by our deteriorating roads!
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Jazzik on March 31, 2022, 02:12:43 PM
We are "oldiesĒ too, so find the higher seating position easier to get into/out of.
That's why our last 4 cars have an increasing minimum height of the driver's seat.
Our current Jazz: 590mm. Its predecessor, the Toyota Yaris of 2017: 585 mm. The 2013 Honda Jazz: 560mm and the 2008 Kia Ceed just 540mm.
So as the years climb and we get older, we are also sitting a little higher. In these 14 years we have therefore moved up about 50 millimeters. A little, not an exaggeration ;) so as not to spoil our bodies and stay a little flexible. Regular walking and cycling also helps quite a bit.

The real reason: We just don't like these would be "sports"(?) utility vehicles or crossovers with too much "Tupperware" and luckily we still mange very well in our "low seater".
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Lord Voltermore on March 31, 2022, 02:48:47 PM
the move to higher riding cars is only going to accelerate - helped by our deteriorating roads!
Devils advocate time.  ;D   Totally agree that extra ride height has advantages   for ease of access and better view.
 
But it doesnt  change newtons law of dynamics.  .  Kinetic energy increases by the square of velocity. Hit a pothole at 10 mph instead of 5 mph the impact is not twice as hard, its 4 times as hard.    Its rare for ground clearance  to be an issue on a degraded paved road  however bad its potholes or low slung the car . If it is you are already driving too fast. 

And having extra ground clearance 'off road ability'  encourages you to drive that much  faster, and thus  more likely to strike pot holes that much harder. 

I have often seen it  travelling on some diabolical roads in India.   An ordinary hatchback copes well enough.  But you often see  rugged 4x4's having roadside repairs  because  the owners believed they were better able to cope, at a higher speed.
No worries, maybe my contentious  opinion will be gone tomorrow  :-X
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Expatman on March 31, 2022, 03:59:54 PM
the move to higher riding cars is only going to accelerate - helped by our deteriorating roads!
Devils advocate time.  ;D   Totally agree that extra ride height has advantages   for ease of access and better view.
 
But it doesnt  change newtons law of dynamics.  .  Kinetic energy increases by the square of velocity. Hit a pothole at 10 mph instead of 5 mph the impact is not twice as hard, its 4 times as hard.    Its rare for ground clearance  to be an issue on a degraded paved road  however bad its potholes or low slung the car . If it is you are already driving too fast. 

And having extra ground clearance 'off road ability'  encourages you to drive that much  faster, and thus  more likely to strike pot holes that much harder. 

I have often seen it  travelling on some diabolical roads in India.   An ordinary hatchback copes well enough.  But you often see  rugged 4x4's having roadside repairs  because  the owners believed they were better able to cope, at a higher speed.
No worries, maybe my contentious  opinion will be gone tomorrow  :-X
Agreed, but I assumed that we are all sensible drivers on this forum! Longer wheel travel certainly helps over heavily rutted roads (North Yorkshire roads are diabolical) but only if you drive according to the conditions.
A question I canít get an answer to is why roads in the South - Dorset, Devon and Cornwall - are so much better surfaced than roads here? But then the final section of the A30 in Cornwall is being dualled while the A64 from York to all points East (Scarborough etc.) is still single carriageway. Long traffic jams even in Winter while in summer the A64 is generally a car park, now told possibly, might start dualling sections after 2025 - believe that at your peril!
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: RichardA on May 22, 2022, 11:29:35 AM
Not on sale until the autumn.
No 10th gen Civics listed on the Honda configuator.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: NoelM on June 28, 2022, 11:37:12 AM
Prices. They start from £29495 for the Elegance £30495 for the Sport and £32595 for the top of the range Advance. The first demonstration car will be with us in September looking for delivery for customers October onwards. I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Introduction new 2022 Civic e:HEV
Post by: Kremmen on July 20, 2022, 05:04:23 AM
Civic review featuring a guest speaker, the Honda technical designer we've seen in out Jazz YT links :