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Title: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Expatman on October 12, 2021, 04:41:51 PM
Whatcar have posted a review of the new HR-V on line. Basically positive but complaints of noisy under acceleration and small boot.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Saycol on October 12, 2021, 07:39:13 PM
Same review in Autocar. I think they both belong to a major publishing group.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Jazzik on October 12, 2021, 10:15:37 PM
A link would be welcome...
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Expatman on October 12, 2021, 10:24:18 PM
Link as requested:

https://www.whatcar.com/news/2022-honda-hr-v-review-prices-specs-and-release-date/n23611?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_12/10/2021&utm_term=Honda+-+Button&utm_id=112784&sfmc_id=0034K00000B5mGxQAJ
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Kremmen on October 13, 2021, 05:44:10 AM
So, like the Jazz, if you don't try and use it as a sports car but a calm controlled drive, it's a very pleasant place to be.

If you want to drive like the reviewer entering a motorway then buy a Cayenne.

On the devensive side though, I enter a motorway every weekend and I easily get to Motorway speeds to blend in without any noise the reviewer is complaining about. Maybe the reviewer needs e-CVT driving lessons to get the best from it.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Karoq on October 13, 2021, 09:33:01 AM
My response to WhatCar.
Good morning.
Thank you for your review. I ordered mine on the 13th August , so found it most useful.
A couple of points, if I may.
1.the seat material on the advance is NOT leather! It is IMITATION leather bolsters with cloth centre panels.
2.You completely omitted one of the most important points of the Honda e:HEV system on the HR-V which the Jazz does not have.
Paddles on the steering wheel affording four levels of battery regeneration.
Thanks for an excellent review.
Kind regards,
Colin Lambert
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Kremmen on October 13, 2021, 09:54:04 AM
Advertising paddles when it doesn't have any smacks of the reviewer not having actually driven the car.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Westy36 on October 13, 2021, 10:22:35 AM
Sounds like a nice car. Ride should be good "The HR-V has quite soft suspension and wafts along pleasantly most of the time. " according to the reviewer. Something you could never accuse an early Jazz of doing!  :D

Starts from £27k though. The model reviewed was £32k.... not exactly cheap are they for a relatively compact car (<4.4m).
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: richardfrost on October 13, 2021, 10:25:29 AM
This whole noise on acceleration feature is something they bring up in every hybrid review. It's like they have a checklist of points to make. The fact is, every hybrid does it. When I put my foot down in my RAV4 hybrid to maintain speed on a very steep S bend on the hill up to my village, my engine revs like mad but the speed stays constant. When I join the M62 going East at Jn 24, I put my foot down to match the speed of the trucks so I can seamlessly join the inside lane. Again, the engine revs like crazy to do this, for a few seconds. It is par for the course on all hybrids, in my experience, and just a quirk you need to be aware of but not worry about. If they revved high all the time, that would be a worry, but they don't.

I really like the look of the HRV and it is high on my list with the Toyota Yaris Cross. Nothing else really floats my boat but I will wait to see what the new hybrid Qashqui looks like when it is launched. Looking to change maybe next year from my RAV4. The 2005 Jazz looks like it will be with us to the end!
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Karoq on October 13, 2021, 11:24:30 AM
Advertising paddles when it doesn't have any smacks of the reviewer not having actually driven the car.
The e:HEV HR-V does have paddles offering 4 levels of regen.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Karoq on October 13, 2021, 11:33:34 AM
Sounds like a nice car. Ride should be good "The HR-V has quite soft suspension and wafts along pleasantly most of the time. " according to the reviewer. Something you could never accuse an early Jazz of doing!  :D

Starts from £27k though. The model reviewed was £32k.... not exactly cheap are they for a relatively compact car (<4.4m).
That comment pleased me greatly! The Crosstar I drove gave me a base of skull headache within 10 mile drive round Poole from the seriously hard ride. The Crosstar is meant to be softer than the ordinary HEV Jazz.
It was so bad I wondered if they had forgotten to decrease the 'transport' tyre pressures of 50psi.
My Karoq on its standard 19" wheels with 40 aspect tyres is horrendous.
SWMBO has a 12 reg Jazz (which is gutless) but the CVT noise is not THAT bad. The Karoq if pushed hard (1.5 turbo petrol DSG) makes almost as much noise as the Honda CVT. It certainly would not put me off buying it. I agree with Kremmen. If you want to drive like a prat, buy a sportscar! (I am not implying that all sportscar drivers are prats I have owned 6 of them ;D)
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: SteveM on October 13, 2021, 01:14:26 PM
Sounds like a nice car. Ride should be good "The HR-V has quite soft suspension and wafts along pleasantly most of the time. " according to the reviewer. Something you could never accuse an early Jazz of doing!  :D

Starts from £27k though. The model reviewed was £32k.... not exactly cheap are they for a relatively compact car (<4.4m).

In fairness What Car have kinda screwed up on the specs, seemingly because whoever was writing the review just defaulted to Car Journo mode. Elegance is *ridiculously* well equipped for an 'entry' level car and, IMO, would have been considered the mid point by previous Honda standards. Advance adds some nice kit (dual zone A/C, power tailgate, heated wheel and seats, speaker upgrade) but really I'd say the only major 'ohh I wish I could option that' items are the part leather-ish interior and blind spot monitoring. The Advance Style adds a couple extra bits of kit but is mostly about some (frankly slightly dubious) styling changes. One of those rare times that the entry level car might actually get bought by a sizeable number of buyers. Oh and of course there's the crossover price bump as well.

Actually, on the subject of the Style model... who in the name of Elton John's fashion sense decided that a bright salmon pink / orange (this work monitor isn't great for colour so hedging my bets) panel around the gear stick was a good idea? Rest of the interior's not too bad (and, well, done, keep the light coloured leather off the bit you sit on!) but that's shocking and not in the good way. For that matter why have a 'style' edition with such a boring range of colours? Frankly if you want a good looking HR-V go for the Advance in red and have done with it.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Karoq on October 13, 2021, 02:31:40 PM
" who in the name of Elton John's fashion sense decided that a bright salmon pink / orange (this work monitor isn't great for colour so hedging my bets) panel around the gear stick was a good idea? "
Presumably the colour blind idiot that thought the ginger mock wood trim looked good on the CR-V.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: DERMOT on October 13, 2021, 08:15:14 PM
Some pics of full electric hr v
https://electrek.co/2021/10/13/honda-announces-all-new-models-will-be-electric-after-2030-but-only-in-china-to-start/
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: SteveM on October 13, 2021, 10:17:09 PM
Some pics of full electric hr v
https://electrek.co/2021/10/13/honda-announces-all-new-models-will-be-electric-after-2030-but-only-in-china-to-start/

Gotta say I think Honda have quietly nailed the electric strategy. Unlike most manufacturers they seem to realise there's no point switching their entire product line over until the market's ready for it. So in Europe and the UK we get a move to some very good hybrids which bring some benefit now and get people used to EV driving. That powertrain can be sold until 2035 here in the UK so if, as surely won't happen *cough*, there's issues synchronising infrastructure and legislation they've got some wiggle room. Meanwhile China is seeing huge growth and the EV market looks set to be between 12 and 20% of total sales (probably around 15%) this year. Seems sensible to me!
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: ColinB on October 14, 2021, 07:43:05 AM
I agree with the notion that hybrids may help to wean people off pure ICEs, but ...
That powertrain can be sold until 2035 here in the UK ...
... isn’t quite true. Current intentions are that the only hybrids that can be sold after 2030 are those that can travel a “significant distance” without tailpipe emissions. There’s still a consultation about what is “significant” but some sources suggest it’ll be around 20-30 miles, which really means PHEVs. The current Honda hybrid powertrain won’t meet that because, firstly, you can’t switch off the ICE so it can run in EV-only mode, and secondly the battery isn’t big enough. From a technical viewpoint they can probably change that, but will they be prepared to invest in development of a technology that’s on its way out just to get an extra 5 years of sales in quite a small UK market?
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: sportse on October 14, 2021, 07:50:00 AM
Also reviewed in Auto Express:

‘The shortage of torque means the engine has to work hard on inclines or during overtakes’!

When the electric motor means full torque is available at zero rpm. The petrol generator engine is just providing electricity.

I can accelerate perfectly fine without revs by using half accelerator and waiting for the constant acceleration.

Chasing the last 20% of performance makes noise temporarily but journalists seem to drive around only using full accelerator.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: richardfrost on October 14, 2021, 12:12:05 PM
I love the view of the front of the HR-V but the back looks a mess to me and the steeply raked rear window means large boxy items which might easily fit in a Jazz just won't fit in the HR-V. I can see why they did it, to make it look sporty and like a coupe, but no one is going to be fooled.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: sportse on October 14, 2021, 12:27:10 PM
I like the styling with the flat front, but there wouldn’t be any reason for me to change.

The boot is only 10% bigger in the HRV, plus it’s over half a second slower to 60 than the crosstar. A recent review was getting 44mpg too :(
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Expatman on October 14, 2021, 01:10:14 PM
The clincher for me is likely to be the higher seating position of the passenger seat which will suit my wife much better than the low non height adjustable passenger seat in the Jazz or Crosstar. Crosstar would work for me only if the passenger seat was height adjustable like the driver seat. Pity as otherwise the Crosstar would work for us.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: ColinS on October 14, 2021, 02:44:01 PM
The clincher for me is likely to be the higher seating position of the passenger seat which will suit my wife much better than the low non height adjustable passenger seat in the Jazz or Crosstar. Crosstar would work for me only if the passenger seat was height adjustable like the driver seat. Pity as otherwise the Crosstar would work for us.
Are you 100% sure about this?  The reason I ask is that in the early literature it said:
Front Drivers Seat - Manual Height Adjustment
It now says:
Front Seat - Manual Height Adjustment

Specifically it doesn't say seats (in the plural)

I am very keen to know this as it would be a clincher for me too.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Karoq on October 14, 2021, 03:22:00 PM
I know it doesn't answer the specific question re the front passenger seat, but on my dealer launch night the drivers seat at it's lowest was certainly higher than the Crosstar and at full height was even higher than my Karoq.
Demos should be in the dealers very soon will report here as soon as I get my test drive.
Most of them have arrived at Bristol with a further drop at Southampton ETA 26th October. a further boat is on it's way, exiting the Suez canal as i write. ETA Bristol 28th October. Carrying certain colours excluding Khaki Sand (Had to be the colour I ordered!!) ETA 9Th January.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: sportse on October 14, 2021, 03:32:57 PM
As I have the driver's seat on it's highest setting in my Jazz, it's clear that the passenger seat is much lower - it shouldn't cost much to have a height adjustable passenger seat. Sitting next to a passenger it looks weird.

Maybe it's planned for a future model year? Sometimes the manufacturers hold back things so they can add them each year to give people a reason to change their car.

It was strange that there was no wireless charging pad in the Jazz, even as an option. It's available in Japan on the Honda configurator.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: culzean on October 14, 2021, 03:36:46 PM
Maybe it's planned for a future model year? Sometimes the manufacturers hold back things so they can add them each year to give people a reason to change their car.

You mean like Apple do with their phones,  we should be grateful car makers do not issue firmware updates that deliberately slow their cars down like Apple did with their phones  :o
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Expatman on October 14, 2021, 04:06:19 PM
As I have the driver's seat on it's highest setting in my Jazz, it's clear that the passenger seat is much lower - it shouldn't cost much to have a height adjustable passenger seat. Sitting next to a passenger it looks weird.

Maybe it's planned for a future model year? Sometimes the manufacturers hold back things so they can add them each year to give people a reason to change their car.

It was strange that there was no wireless charging pad in the Jazz, even as an option. It's available in Japan on the Honda configurator.
I asked my dealer to double check both driver & passenger seat were height adjustable when he had his launch preview of the HR-V - which I couldn’t get to - he has confirmed that both seats are height adjustable and in his opinion the seating height is particularly elevated. Time will tell when he gets showrooms models to look at.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Karoq on October 14, 2021, 06:59:22 PM
in his opinion the seating height is particularly elevated.
Having sat in one, I would agree with that!
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Expatman on October 15, 2021, 10:11:32 AM
in his opinion the seating height is particularly elevated.
Having sat in one, I would agree with that!
Great, looking forward to seeing one in the metal and kicking the tyres!
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: guest9814 on October 15, 2021, 10:26:24 AM
Advertising paddles when it doesn't have any smacks of the reviewer not having actually driven the car.
The e:HEV HR-V does have paddles offering 4 levels of regen.
Jazz have one regeneration paddle too…
But hard to find it :D
And our paddle can change regenerative braking level without any steps…
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Expatman on October 15, 2021, 10:35:37 AM
Advertising paddles when it doesn't have any smacks of the reviewer not having actually driven the car.
The e:HEV HR-V does have paddles offering 4 levels of regen.
Jazz have one regeneration paddle too…
But hard to find it :D
And our paddle can change regenerative braking level without any steps…
I assume you are talking about the brake pedal? 
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: guest9814 on October 15, 2021, 11:01:16 AM
No
I talking about accelerator pedal when B mode activated.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Karoq on October 15, 2021, 12:26:18 PM
Advertising paddles when it doesn't have any smacks of the reviewer not having actually driven the car.
The e:HEV HR-V does have paddles offering 4 levels of regen.
Jazz have one regeneration paddle too…
But hard to find it :D
And our paddle can change regenerative braking level without any steps…
I assume you are talking about the brake pedal?
No, i think he's talking about the gear lever. Pulling back to 'B" gives you the ONLY more aggressive regen.
Title: Re: HR-V Review Whatcar online
Post by: Expatman on October 25, 2021, 02:23:58 PM
New video review of HR-V on Whatcar website -

They identify the “faults” described by other previews, principally unpleasant engine noise under acceleration, limited rear headroom  and small boot. Praises leg room and overall quality but review damns by faint praise! Worth a look however, link above.