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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: Roddy0000 on June 23, 2018, 10:33:37 PM
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I have just bought a 2017 mk3 and have noticed on one of the wheels that there is bubbling, guess it is a reaction to the pad dust, has anyone else had this issue and if so, what was the fix. Is this covered under Honda warranty maybe? Thanks.
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It is usually caused by corrosion when water gets under damage to the clear coating on the wheel. If it is caused by a damaged clear coat the warranty may be debatable.
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Sky the sport has black alloys coating have you found them easy to clean and robust.
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Well the warranty says surface corrosion warranty for 3 years as long as the corrosion wasn’t caused by bird lime or neglect, all visible painted surfaces are covered. Not sure if coating on the wheels is considered as a "painted surface" though.
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Sky the sport has black alloys coating have you found them easy to clean and robust.
They don't show the dirt, you have to be careful not to miss dirt on them when cleaning them, it is too soon to tell if they are robust. They are EX wheels with a complete black paint coat. I would expect them to be more robust than the EX wheels which only have a clear coat on their shiny bits.
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I have just bought a 2017 mk3 and have noticed on one of the wheels that there is bubbling, guess it is a reaction to the pad dust, has anyone else had this issue and if so, what was the fix. Is this covered under Honda warranty maybe? Thanks.
I have just had a chat with the local dealer and they are saying that it is not covered under warranty and probably caused by brake pad dust, going to talk to the salesman whom I purchased the car from recently to see if he is willing to do anything...not confident of a good result.
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To be honest how can they say its not covered and brake dust caused it then under the consumer act its not made for purpose then otherwise everyone who has a new jazz and this happens will not be covered go to cit advice and get them to write a letter to the dealer and honda uk or auto express.
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I have just bought a 2017 mk3 and have noticed on one of the wheels that there is bubbling, guess it is a reaction to the pad dust, has anyone else had this issue and if so, what was the fix. Is this covered under Honda warranty maybe? Thanks.
I have just had a chat with the local dealer and they are saying that it is not covered under warranty and probably caused by brake pad dust, going to talk to the salesman whom I purchased the car from recently to see if he is willing to do anything...not confident of a good result.
To be honest, it seems unlikely that what you’re reporting was caused solely by brake dust. The dust can be corrosive, but wheels are designed to resist that (and most do). For it to cause damage to such a young car it seems likely there was also some damage to the protective coating on the wheel that allowed the corrosive product through. Especially if the damage is limited to just one wheel. Not clear if you bought the car from new, but if you bought in 2017 then it’s likely to be at least 6 months old, and any claim against the vendor would depend on you being able to prove the fault was there when you bought it. You’re really dependent on how keen the vendor is to keep you as a customer by making a goodwill gesture. Good luck !
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It only takes a scratch or chip by a stone to damage the wheel coating, once that happens corrosion is inevitable, and if the car has been used on salty roads in the winter it will increase the rate of the corrosion. Not what you want to hear but it is unlikely to be Honda's fault.
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I have just bought a 2017 mk3 and have noticed on one of the wheels that there is bubbling, guess it is a reaction to the pad dust, has anyone else had this issue and if so, what was the fix. Is this covered under Honda warranty maybe? Thanks.
I have just had a chat with the local dealer and they are saying that it is not covered under warranty and probably caused by brake pad dust, going to talk to the salesman whom I purchased the car from recently to see if he is willing to do anything...not confident of a good result.
just sent an email to the salesman, lets see what he says, depends whether they want your custom when it comes to changing the car next time I guess !!
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I assume the service department don't consider it a warranty claim so are not going to pay for a new wheel out of their budget. Also not setting a precedent should you return wanting more new wheels. I would expect the same response from the sales department, and they do talk to each other so the salesman will be expecting you or your email as will his manager. I wish you luck, but look at the situation in the cold light of day. If you had seen the damage before sale it was a negotiation point, but they have your money so don't expect much interest from them. I doubt if the loss of a possible future used car sale is going to bother them.
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Honda had a bad batch of HR-V alloy wheels see https://www.hrvforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=513#p4106 (https://www.hrvforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=513#p4106) so manufacturing defects are not unknown. However, it can be hard work for the first people who discover any problems to get Honda to accept that there are defects. It helps to have a supportive dealer.
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My EX navi 17 plate had two small bubbles of corrosion around the centre cap of the left rear wheel
( diamond cut type wheels) .
Only had the car about 4 months at
That point , so reported it to our dealer.
2 days later dealer calls to say they
Would replace all four wheels.
Under warranty.
Have had no problems since.
Although I do use wheel wax and clean them regularly.
Get back to the dealer or get in touch with Honda customer care.
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I have had wheels replaced by a warranty (Ford) but this was on a car bought new and a couple of months old. I saw both my Mk3s before they were "unwrapped" at the dealer and they both had full wheel protectors made of plastic.
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I have just bought a 2017 mk3 and have noticed on one of the wheels that there is bubbling, guess it is a reaction to the pad dust, has anyone else had this issue and if so, what was the fix. Is this covered under Honda warranty maybe? Thanks.
I have had a closer look and it looks like the alloy wheel is pitted in the corner of one of the spokes, there are a few places like this so perhaps its normal, the top coat has not been disturbed, the car is about 13 months old. so not sure !!
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I have just bought a 2017 mk3 and have noticed on one of the wheels that there is bubbling, guess it is a reaction to the pad dust, has anyone else had this issue and if so, what was the fix. Is this covered under Honda warranty maybe? Thanks.
I have had a closer look and it looks like the alloy wheel is pitted in the corner of one of the spokes, there are a few places like this so perhaps its normal, the top coat has not been disturbed, the car is about 13 months old. so not sure !!
Unfortunately it only takes a pinprick in the wheels coating to allow water (salty if winter) in and it will cause corrosion under the coating.
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Unfortunately it only takes a pinprick in the wheels coating to allow moisture (salty if winter) in and it will cause corrosion under the coating. Take a look at a few cars, you may be surprised how many have signs of corrosion on their wheels.
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so not much chance of a warranty claim then.....
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It is a bit difficult to make a judgement without seeing the damage.
If it is as you describe, I certainly would take it to different Honda dealer amd insist on making a claim under the Honda warranty.
Brake dust would not damage it in 13 months particularly on a rear wheel. Otherwise every car would suffer the same.
It does sound like poor paint preparation in the factory.
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It is a bit difficult to make a judgement without seeing the damage.
If it is as you describe, I certainly would take it to different Honda dealer amd insist on making a claim under the Honda warranty.
Brake dust would not damage it in 13 months particularly on a rear wheel. Otherwise every car would suffer the same.
It does sound like poor paint preparation in the factory.
Do you mean find a dealer who doesn't mind getting a reputation with Honda for making frivolous claims? Dealers are wary of biting the hand that feeds them
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It is a bit difficult to make a judgement without seeing the damage.
If it is as you describe, I certainly would take it to different Honda dealer amd insist on making a claim under the Honda warranty.
Brake dust would not damage it in 13 months particularly on a rear wheel. Otherwise every car would suffer the same.
It does sound like poor paint preparation in the factory.
Do you mean find a dealer who doesn't mind getting a reputation with Honda for making frivolous claims? Dealers are wary of biting the hand that feeds them
That's very negative.
Nothing ventured nothing gained.
From comments before, there does seem to be history.
No point in giving up before you have started.
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Honda replaced one of my rear 16 inch diamond cut alloys under warranty which had started to bubble from the centre. I was pleased.
The wheel had been taken off and refitted by the dealer sometime earlier to repair a tyre. Possibly it had been damaged then, but it does make you a little nervous about how robust these type of wheels are compared to the old silver painted alloys.
They do seem to be principally a fine fashion item with this new finish !
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Honda replaced one of my rear 16 inch machine faced alloys under warranty which had started to bubble from the centre. I was pleased.
The wheel had been taken off and refitted by the dealer sometime earlier to repair a tyre. Possibly it had been damaged then, but it does make you a little nervous about how robust these type of wheels are compared to the old silver painted alloys.
They do seem to be principally a fine fashion item with this new finish !
It seems that diamond cut alloys are easily damaged, and get the dreaded 'white worm' under the clearcoat from such things as stone chips and handling damage caused by having new tyres fitted. It is quite obvious that clearcoat won't be as tough as proper powder coat finish, but as you say it is fashion. Pretty much every new car I see has diamond alloys.
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I am glad my Sport's EX wheels are all black without the diamond cut spokes. I have had problems with diamond cut wheels corroding.
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They do seem to be principally a fine fashion item with this new finish !
It seems that diamond cut alloys are easily damaged, and get the dreaded 'white worm' under the clearcoat from such things as stone chips and handling damage caused by having new tyres fitted. It is quite obvious that clearcoat won't be as tough as proper powder coat finish, but as you say it is fashion. Pretty much every new car I see has diamond alloys.
I would argue that this wheel design is not fit for purpose if they are damaged so easily. Three of the wheels on my HRV developed this issue under the Clearcoat. I was glad to see the back of that car for many reasons, the wheels being one of them. My current RAV4 has diamond cut wheels but does not seem to have the Clearcoat and even a major 'kerbing' incident on one wheel and a replacement tyre on another has not caused the white worm.
The alloy on my trusty old 2005 Jazz SE were corroding badly on 3 of the 4 wheels and causing pressure leakage. I have replaced them with steel wheels in black and again I have no issues any more either.
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Diamond cut wheels and rear disc brakes are more about showroom bling than practicality.
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Diamond cut wheels and rear disc brakes are more about showroom bling than practicality.
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Still got problems with the rear brakes on my wifes MK2 Si - there is a weird wear patterns on both rear discs - looks like another strip down job.
Her 'tatty' diamond cut 16" OEM white worm infested alloys are in our garage with her winter wheels, I have fitted graphite colour 15" alloys and they look a lot better on the car anyway.
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Diamond cut wheels and rear disc brakes are more about showroom bling than practicality.
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Still got problems with the rear brakes on my wifes MK2 Si - as well as weird wear patterns on both rear discs the OSR brake is dragging and I can feel heat of disc even after a short run, looks like another strip down job.
Her 'tatty' diamond cut 16" OEM white worm infested alloys are in our garage with her winter wheels, I have fitted graphite colour 15" alloys and they look a lot better on the car anyway.
Bit the bullet and decided to take a look at rear brakes this morning before Sun got too high in the sky :o. As I suspected the pad ears had corroded and pads not moving in caliper - only replaced pads and discs a couple of years ago with OEM Honda parts and had to file the ends of the ears to get them into caliper, and used plenty of Moly grease (they always need filing, why can't they make them correct size?). Because of weird wear pattern / corrosion on rear discs decided to fit the eicher discs and brembo pads (Euro car parts) and had to file about half a mm off end of each ear. Not a happy bunny because the discs only been on two years and less than 10k. Rear discs are a PITA and totally unsuited for use on small cars. Third set of discs and pads in about 50k, they have corroded away, not worn out.
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Third set of discs and pads in about 50k, they have corroded away, not worn out.
Had this issue out with Honda UK and got nowhere. Makes me wonder how many Jazz's are being driven around with ineffective rear brakes that won't get picked up in the first 3yrs and after that will only get picked up at MOT.
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Third set of discs and pads in about 50k, they have corroded away, not worn out.
Had this issue out with Honda UK and got nowhere. Makes me wonder how many Jazz's are being driven around with ineffective rear brakes that won't get picked up in the first 3yrs and after that will only get picked up at MOT.
Not really Honda's fault, it is caused by gentle driving meaning the rear brakes are hardly used. I have never had this common problem with any car, I can't think why. :-)
Seriously though, if you are a light brake user press the brake pedal hard for a few seconds while stopped in traffic. It will move the brake pads up to the discs and take up any slack in the calipers, sharpen up the brakes and improve the brake feel. This is why the brakes often feel better after a service when the brakes have not been any more than illuminated with a torch. An occasional hard braking from motorway speeds will do the brakes far more good than harm. If you don't use them they become a sized up lump of rust.
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Third set of discs and pads in about 50k, they have corroded away, not worn out.
Had this issue out with Honda UK and got nowhere. Makes me wonder how many Jazz's are being driven around with ineffective rear brakes that won't get picked up in the first 3yrs and after that will only get picked up at MOT.
Not really Honda's fault, it is caused by gentle driving meaning the rear brakes are hardly used. I have never had this common problem with any car, I can't think why. :-)
Seriously though, if you are a light brake user press the brake pedal hard for a few seconds while stopped in traffic. It will move the brake pads up to the discs and take up any slack in the calipers, sharpen up the brakes and improve the brake feel. This is why the brakes often feel better after a service when the brakes have not been any more than illuminated with a torch. An occasional hard braking from motorway speeds will do the brakes far more good than harm. If you don't use them they become a sized up lump of rust.
The gentle driving thing is not true in my case I can assure you, I drive the car more than she does (i.e. if I am in the car with her I always drive, she just walks to the passenger door and smiles ). When I drive on my own (because her Jazz is at top of drive and I can't be arr5ed to swap them over ) i will often brake hard and sometimes pull the hand take on while moving, so much for rear brakes not getting used. The rear disc thing does not happen on my Civic, they are in good condition and no uneven wear or rust, it seems to be a Jazz thing.
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In your case there must be a reason for it. I have always driven my cars to dry off the brakes after washing them and never put a car in a garage wet. Also the car is used daily. Every little helps. :-)
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Not really Honda's fault, it is caused by gentle driving meaning the rear brakes are hardly used. I have never had this common problem with any car, I can't think why. :-)
Seriously though, if you are a light brake user press the brake pedal hard for a few seconds while stopped in traffic. It will move the brake pads up to the discs and take up any slack in the calipers, sharpen up the brakes and improve the brake feel. This is why the brakes often feel better after a service when the brakes have not been any more than illuminated with a torch. An occasional hard braking from motorway speeds will do the brakes far more good than harm. If you don't use them they become a sized up lump of rust.
Gentle driving isn't my daughter's thing - she's quite a "positive" driver and the commute she does takes in everything from 30-70 roads and a lot of traffic lights. The front pads don't have much life left but I expect that's not been helped by reduced braking from the rear.
Years ago garages would strip and clean brakes at service, and even recently they'd spray brake cleaner all over them - so the brakes would feel better when you got the car back.
Honda doesn't do that sort of thing at all now and that was part of the point I argued with them - if they don't service the brakes then they should be designed to work in normal UK conditions for their service life. The dealer suggested I should jet-wash the callipers, which just seems bonkers to me.
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If you are not activating the ABS you are not braking hard, a daily commute with a few traffic lights is not hard braking. I am a light brake user, I avoid using them if possible. I would only brake hard on an empty straight dry road. My calipers get jetwashed every time I wash the car and wheels, but they are dried by driving afterwards. If you don't use and maintain a car it will let you down or become expensive. If you know that Honda is not maintaining your brakes do it yourself once a year or if you dont know how to or have the tools take it to someone who can do it. I used to do it, now when my cars are out of warranty a good local independent garage does it.
The way I see car ownership is "You own an expensive machine, either look after it or it will turn into an unreliable pile of rusty junk". It is the owners resposibility, blaming anyone else for the state of a car is a non starter for me. Sorry if that sounds tough but that's life.
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I have just checked my cars service schedule, it only mentions "brake inspections", that only needs a torch, nothing about strip, clean, lubricate, etc.
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If you activate the ABS on a dry road, even on the rear you are definitely braking far too hard. I never wash my car, and would never let a jetwash anywhere near the brakes, that is really bad practice, there have been incidents when brake hoses have been cut by a jetwash and even so you will just force water past the bellows and seals and wash any grease that is in there away. I may not wash and polish our cars, but trust me mechanically they are pampered (because polishing your car does nothing to make it more reliable, I do our servicing of our cars and would much rather spend money on brake grease than car wax). My wifes Jazz is just coming up to 60,000 miles in 6 years, so hardly lack of use causing the disc problems. Our cars also get winters tyres and steel rims for 6 months of the year, these protect the brakes much better than alloys (and save your nice alloys from a lot of corrosion).
I will have to see how the Eicher rear discs and Brembo pad combination works, up until now I have used Honda discs and pads, so the problem may be with those.
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Gentle driving isn't my daughter's thing - she's quite a "positive" driver and the commute she does takes in everything from 30-70 roads and a lot of traffic lights. The front pads don't have much life left but I expect that's not been helped by reduced braking from the rear.
Years ago garages would strip and clean brakes at service, and even recently they'd spray brake cleaner all over them - so the brakes would feel better when you got the car back.
Honda doesn't do that sort of thing at all now and that was part of the point I argued with them - if they don't service the brakes then they should be designed to work in normal UK conditions for their service life. The dealer suggested I should jet-wash the callipers, which just seems bonkers to me.
A modern service is just an oil change and a stamp in your service book, which is what you are really paying £££'s for ( if you are lucky they may change the oil filter) all other things tend to be 'inspect and change / replace if required (and this is never needed LOL). They will also let you get a cup of tea or coffee from their machine in reception with small cardboard cups, and read a boring magazine if you turn up early for the car.
Oh and they get the apprentice to clean your car, which makes it feel much better when you drive away with just the new oil from a no-name 45 gallon drum in the corner of the workshop swilling around in the sump.....
I have just checked my cars service schedule, it only mentions "brake inspections", that only needs a torch, nothing about strip, clean, lubricate, etc.
Looking at the brakes with a torch tells you very little, even if you take the wheels off to do it (which they don't) you cannot hardly even see inner brake pads properly even with wheel off unless you have one of those medical endoscopy cameras that can bend around sharp corners. The only way to tell if calipers are equalising properly about the disc is to check the freedom of the slide pins - which you cannot do without unbolting the caliper. Rory took his car in several times complaining about a squealing noise from brakes and was fobbed off, turned out the inner pad was almost non existent and the squealing was the brake wear indicator. This uneven wear (the outer pad was OK) was because slide pins had seized up (probably from dealer jet washing the grease out) it just shows you how well trained and interested the staff in modern dealer franchises are, most of them probably started out selling double glazing and have an NVQ ( Not Very Qualified) in bull5sh!t.
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I have a pressure washer, the nozzle never gets within a metre of the car.
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The way I see car ownership is "You own an expensive machine, either look after it or it will turn into an unreliable pile of rusty junk". It is the owners resposibility, blaming anyone else for the state of a car is a non starter for me. Sorry if that sounds tough but that's life.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this. As far as I'm concerned, consumables, such as brakes, should last until they wear out, or some equivalent length of time for lower mileage cars. Other daughters Golf had to have pads and discs all round last year 70K miles/6yrs old. I'm perfectly happy with that.
Jazz wearing one pad at 20K/3yrs is not acceptable to me. Not just the cost, but I'm dismayed that she'd been driving around in a car with some degree of a brake issue. The dealer looked at the car and declared it to be OK. It was only looked at further as I made a fuss. How many other Honda drivers have cars in the same state?
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I have a pressure washer, the nozzle never gets within a metre of the car.
The dealer was suggesting getting the lance in behind the wheel and blasting the calliper.
Apart from blasting all the grease etc out of the calliper and sliders, a neighbour whose son works for a car manufacturer said they'd been warned about using jet washers near brakes as they had a brake failure on car which they reckon was caused by a jet washer damaging a flexible brake hose.
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I have a pressure washer, the nozzle never gets within a metre of the car.
In that case no point in using a pressure washer then, as the force drops very quickly as you move the jet away and at one metre a normal garden hose spray with a shampoo stick will give you as much pressure and cleaning at that range - we have two pressure washers and they only get used on the patio. Pressure sprays do not increase the volume of water, that is fixed by the amount the tap and hose can supply, they just intensify the pressure and use a smaller nozzle, but only useful if that smaller nozzle is within less than a foot of the target (or on the patio 5 to 10mm away).
There is a lot of evidence that using pressure washers can damage tyre sidewalls and actually strip paint and adhesive balance weights off alloys, damage brake hoses and wash lubrication off and force water past seals, as well as damage radiator cooling fins. As for cleaning bikes and motorbikes, washing the lube off the chain and forcing water past seals into bearings are just a few of the nasty things A pressure washer has no place being used on anything except patios (and even then you find the moss and stuff comes back quicker because the high pressure breaks up the surface of the slabs and makes more places for stuff to grow). Even the cheapest no-name pressure washer will give over 100Bar (1500 PSI) and some up to 180 / 200 bar. If you love your car or bike or motorbike don't let a pressure washer near it, it is just a lazy mans tool of choice, and a bit macho.
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Having used pressure washers for several decades without damaging anything I think I can manage.
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Having used pressure washers for several decades without damaging anything I think I can manage.
At a metre+ away all you're doing is rinsing the car. So you'll be pretty safe.
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On my previous Jazz, I had a small area of bubbling on one alloy wheel, and the main dealer said it wasn't covered by warranty.
I phoned Honda UK Customer Service and they said they would replace the wheel as a goodwill gesture. That was at 100k.
At 240k I had all 4 wheels shotblasted and resprayed for £80 so it was no big deal if Honda didn't cover it.
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Having used pressure washers for several decades without damaging anything I think I can manage.
At a metre+ away all you're doing is rinsing the car. So you'll be pretty safe.
Exactly, its the block paved areas and slabbed paths that get the serious washing.
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Having used pressure washers for several decades without damaging anything I think I can manage.
At a metre+ away all you're doing is rinsing the car. So you'll be pretty safe.
Exactly, its the block paved areas and slabbed paths that get the serious washing.
Exactly, if you are using it that far away may as well use a garden hose and save the wasted electricity. As I said pressure washers are for patios and stripping paint.