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Title: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 10, 2018, 09:24:12 AM
I am thinking of buying my first ever Honda. I fancy a Jazz and a neighbour suggested I check out this site for tips.
Jean.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Skyrider on November 10, 2018, 10:36:37 AM
Welcome to the forum, there is a wealth of information available, all you have to do is ask. If we don't know the answer the chances are we will know how to find it. There are very few people who regret buying a Jazz, just make sure you buy the right specification for your needs. The main decisions will be engine size and transmission type. You can download the cars user manual from the Honda UK website.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Downsizer on November 11, 2018, 10:10:23 AM
If you are buying new, you should be able to negotiate one or two extras.  The ones I have found useful are free servicing, spacesaver spare wheel and floor mats.  Personally I don't believe in paying extra for protective coatings, but this is a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: culzean on November 11, 2018, 11:18:08 AM
If you are buying new, you should be able to negotiate one or two extras.  The ones I have found useful are free servicing, spacesaver spare wheel and floor mats.  Personally I don't believe in paying extra for protective coatings, but this is a matter of opinion.

We had protective coatings on our present jazz and civic ( diamondbrite ) and I have to say despite the fact they hardly ever get cleaned they shine up remarkably well after a bit of rain.  This is still the case after five years, so if you don't like cleaning cars it may be a good investment.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: peteo48 on November 11, 2018, 11:41:35 AM
If you are buying new, you should be able to negotiate one or two extras.  The ones I have found useful are free servicing, spacesaver spare wheel and floor mats.  Personally I don't believe in paying extra for protective coatings, but this is a matter of opinion.

We had protective coatings on our present jazz and civic ( diamondbrite ) and I have to say despite the fact they hardly ever get cleaned they shine up remarkably well after a bit of rain.  This is still the case after five years, so if you don't like cleaning cars it may be a good investment.

There's a huge debate amongst car detailing enthusiasts about these coatings. A common view is that they are worthless and won't stand the test of time. For years I'd routinely turned them down but I was curious to see if they did in fact work so, when I bought my present car in February this year I decided I'd try one if I could get the price down from £399 which was the quote for Supagard. In the end I paid £200.

We are now 9 months on and we've had the beast from the east, a very hot summer and now a normal autumn. I have to say the coating is bearing up pretty well in that water slides off the car very easily and beads up. Every other wash I use Autoglym Aqua Wax which you just spray on before drying - it adds a bit of wax.

So I now think that maybe there is something to them. I wouldn't pay full price though.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 11, 2018, 12:42:51 PM
Went to see an ex demonstrator Sport this morning. 5,000 miles. White with black wheels. Has Honda service package. Liked it but it had graphic stripes so I will look for one without those.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: culzean on November 11, 2018, 01:18:41 PM

There's a huge debate amongst car detailing enthusiasts about these coatings. A common view is that they are worthless and won't stand the test of time. For years I'd routinely turned them down but I was curious to see if they did in fact work so, when I bought my present car in February this year I decided I'd try one if I could get the price down from £399 which was the quote for Supagard. In the end I paid £200.

We are now 9 months on and we've had the beast from the east, a very hot summer and now a normal autumn. I have to say the coating is bearing up pretty well in that water slides off the car very easily and beads up. Every other wash I use Autoglym Aqua Wax which you just spray on before drying - it adds a bit of wax.

So I now think that maybe there is something to them. I wouldn't pay full price though.

It is probably seen as akin to heresy by the dedicated car polishers that people can have a shiny car without being a martyr to the ritual ( almost religious fervour ) of having to use various arcane / esoteric systems and preparations to get similar results.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: John Ratsey on November 11, 2018, 07:25:06 PM
Went to see an ex demonstrator Sport this morning. 5,000 miles. White with black wheels. Has Honda service package. Liked it but it had graphic stripes so I will look for one without those.
An excellent resource for finding the ex-demonstrators is the used car section on the Honda UK website https://usedcars.honda.co.uk/en/used-cars/approved-cars (https://usedcars.honda.co.uk/en/used-cars/approved-cars) . It saves a lot of effort in checking individual dealers but I see some problems with the way results are filtered so it's probably best to trawl through the list of 2018 Jazzes.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 12, 2018, 04:24:42 PM
Not a great saving going for an ex demonstrator. We are now thinking of ordering a new car. We looked at PCP but the annual mileage is a bit restrictive. Still fancy the Sport. It was an automatic I drove today but I preferred the manual. I have never driven an automatic before.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Skyrider on November 12, 2018, 05:18:03 PM
The key there is "I have never driven an automatic before". Like anything you tend not to see the benefits immediately. There are more, (and an increasing number) of autos in the world with good reason. The main ones they do a better job than a human, are easier to drive, and are more economical, (or can be).   ;D
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: peteo48 on November 12, 2018, 05:22:13 PM
The key there is "I have never driven an automatic before". Like anything you tend not to see the benefits immediately. There are more, (and an increasing number) of autos in the world with good reason. The main ones they do a better job than a human, are easier to drive, and are more economical, (or can be).   ;D

Yes - I'm a recent convert. Such a boon in heavy traffic and I spend a lot of my driving in stop start situations.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: andruec on November 12, 2018, 07:04:04 PM
Yeah the eye opener for me was when I first drove an automatic on a trip to the States. I had no problems driving it and was a bit critical of the way it climbed a couple of hills. It was only a three speed and it put on a good demonstration of hunting :-/

However when I got back home I kept forgetting to put the clutch in and found myself getting irked with having to change gear. I test drove a Civic Hybrid (Mk2) and fell in love with the CVT but was told the waiting time was months. Then the salesman pointed out that the Sport Jazz had a CVT. I hope to be able to continue with CVT until I get all electric and gear changes become unnecessary but there's now no way I'd go back to a manual gearbox. It's time they were consigned to the dustbin of motoring history along with automatic chokes and manual wipers.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: guest4871 on November 12, 2018, 07:58:51 PM
Not a great saving going for an ex demonstrator. We are now thinking of ordering a new car. We looked at PCP but the annual mileage is a bit restrictive. Still fancy the Sport. It was an automatic I drove today but I preferred the manual. I have never driven an automatic before.

Get a quote from Drivethedeal.com for an ex dealer brand new car. It ought to be cheaper than an ex demonstrator car.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: culzean on November 12, 2018, 08:05:50 PM
We drove auto cars overseas for many years and my wife had CVT when we came back to UK, but we both now have manual cars.  If I spent my life in city traffic I may well get an auto, but we are lucky enough to live in rural area. If I ever have problems that mean I cannot operate a clutch or gear lever, may get an auto - but not until then, they are not everyones cup of tea.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: 123Drive! on November 12, 2018, 09:21:27 PM
Went to see an ex demonstrator Sport this morning. 5,000 miles. White with black wheels. Has Honda service package. Liked it but it had graphic stripes so I will look for one without those.

Try Carwow. A new one may even work out cheaper with all the discount and deposit contribution. Good luck!
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Dayjo on November 12, 2018, 10:09:16 PM
I saved almost, £5,500.
 Buying brand new, from New Car Discount..... https://www.new-car-discount.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7Y-f6u7P3gIVB7TtCh1-DA7uEAAYASAAEgILu_D_BwE

I would, certainly, use them again.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: guest8090 on November 13, 2018, 10:38:35 AM
I saved almost, £5,500.
 Buying brand new, from New Car Discount..... https://www.new-car-discount.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7Y-f6u7P3gIVB7TtCh1-DA7uEAAYASAAEgILu_D_BwE

I would, certainly, use them again.
I cannot see Honda as an option on this site  (maybe I missed it!)
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 13, 2018, 06:09:51 PM
Finished early from work today and popped out to Loanhead to try a Nissan Leaf. I absolutely loved it. So quiet. I had an extended test run and it was such a joy to drive. Tried the one pedal driving but that was weird. It would take a bit of getting used to. Only fly in the ointment was the price. Even second hand it made the eyes water. Hubby is all for it.
I had a look at https://www.new-car-discount.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7Y-f6u7P3gIVB7TtCh1-DA7uEAAYASAAEgILu_D_BwE but they are not stocking Honda vehicles at the moment.
We are going to Western Honda in Edinburgh on Saturday. See what they can offer.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Dayjo on November 13, 2018, 09:01:19 PM
I cannot see Honda as an option on this site  (maybe I missed it!)

New Car Discount......

When I "built" the Jazz, I wanted. I was quoted much less than other suppliers.

Then, there was 2 or 3 weeks unexpected delay.

After I let it be known, I was ready to cancell. The truth(?) emerged.

Honda had changed their dealer discounting system. "Someone", in the supply chain, had mis-calculated, and was £750 short, on several Honda quotes.....

I understand, Honda, honoured all the quotes.

A week later, it was delivered, at the original price.  :)

Maybe. This problem, affected future dealer relationships.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Skyrider on November 14, 2018, 06:58:31 AM
Finished early from work today and popped out to Loanhead to try a Nissan Leaf. I absolutely loved it. So quiet. I had an extended test run and it was such a joy to drive. Tried the one pedal driving but that was weird. It would take a bit of getting used to. Only fly in the ointment was the price. Even second hand it made the eyes water. Hubby is all for it.
I had a look at https://www.new-car-discount.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7Y-f6u7P3gIVB7TtCh1-DA7uEAAYASAAEgILu_D_BwE but they are not stocking Honda vehicles at the moment.
We are going to Western Honda in Edinburgh on Saturday. See what they can offer.

Do your research and be absolutly sure an electric car is suitable for your use pattern. A friend sold one after a couple of months at a huge loss because he could not live with the short range and the lack of charging points and time taken to charge it.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: culzean on November 14, 2018, 10:06:41 AM
Finished early from work today and popped out to Loanhead to try a Nissan Leaf. I absolutely loved it. So quiet. I had an extended test run and it was such a joy to drive. Tried the one pedal driving but that was weird. It would take a bit of getting used to. Only fly in the ointment was the price. Even second hand it made the eyes water. Hubby is all for it.
I had a look at https://www.new-car-discount.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7Y-f6u7P3gIVB7TtCh1-DA7uEAAYASAAEgILu_D_BwE but they are not stocking Honda vehicles at the moment.
We are going to Western Honda in Edinburgh on Saturday. See what they can offer.

Do your research and be absolutley sure an electric car is suitable fore your use pattern. A friend sold one after a couple of months at a huge loss because he could not live with the short range and the lack of charging points and time taken to charge it.

Quite right,  and also check if battery is leased or if you own it - if it is leased you may be paying more for the lease per month than you pay for fuel at the moment,  and if you own it you may get saddled with a massive bill in the future if battery fails.  The other thing is, BEV are well known for depreciating like a ice cube in an oven,  stories of a loss of £15K in 18 months have been published in national press.

Looks like Nissan are stopping battery lease scheme on new Leaf - maybe the alternative is insuring the battery,  because they cost an arm and a leg to replace ( like replacing entire engine on an ICE car).

https://evfleetworld.co.uk/nissan-abandons-battery-lease-for-new-leaf/
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: peteo48 on November 14, 2018, 10:47:02 AM
I agree with all the advice above about the current crop of EVs. I was quite keen to get one as even a 24kwh Nissan Leaf would do 90% of our journeys but I'm glad now I monitored my trips over a year. We had a few into areas where no charging was available and this lead me to stick with the Jazz.

Great option as a second car though.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 14, 2018, 07:01:26 PM
I don’t think charging would be an issue. I have a 50 mile a day commute into Edinburgh and back. The great thing is we have private parking behind our offices. A year ago my boss bought a Tesla and put charging in at the office. To claim it as a business expense he put three charging points in and the only time I have seen one of the others used is when one of our customers occasionally comes in. She has an older Leaf.
I have a drive and double garage at home but like most modern families the garage is full of overspill and the cars sit on the drive.
Culzean the garage told me the battery was not on a lease. It would appear they don’t do that with the new Leaf.
Regarding a second car. My husband has a 320d company car which we use for long trips and his daily commute to Glasgow.
A new model Leaf is a bit pricey and I think the earlier one looks rather frumpy. It is not my style at all.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: culzean on November 14, 2018, 07:49:31 PM
Analysing your travel distances before buying a vehicle has only become important since BEV have been available. The fact is that even the smallest ICE car can travel 300 to 400 miles + on a tank of fuel and be happy on motorways, and more importantly can be re-fuelled in minutes rather than hours.

The other thing is that if government would reduce 70% tax on fuel down to 5% VAT which is payable on electricity then BEV would not be anywhere near as attractive,  but they will have to get the loss of fuel revenue back in some way.

BEV also cost more to insure. https://insideevs.com/electric-car-insurance-up-to-60-more-expensive-than-ice-in-uk/

Also this ..  https://www.petrolprices.com/news/electric-car-drivers-face-fuel-price-rip-off/


Look out for the future when you can only charge your car at home via smart charger and government slap 70% tax on it. Motorway chargers installed by private companies will be able to charge you what they like.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: 123Drive! on November 15, 2018, 12:17:22 AM
I helped my uncle buy a 2012 Leaf in Jan 2017 with 23k miles on the clock. The battery is owned outright. £6995 plus £1000 deposit contribution, 0% Apr over 3yrs HP. 2yrs free servicing, 12mth warranty. Free home charger. Amazing value. He uses to go to central London so no congestion charge and free 4 hrs meter parking in City of Westminster! Unfortunately can't seem to find this type of deals any more. But he has no problems with the car although the range is about 60-70 miles depending the weather.

Btw, did you get a chance to look at Carwow re:Jazz?
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 15, 2018, 06:47:33 AM
Yes I did have a look on Carwow. We have a meeting with Western Honda in Edinburgh this Saturday to see what they have to say.
One of the reasons I looked at the Leaf is Edinburgh is introducing Zero Emission Zones and because I work in the city centre an electric car could be a good idea.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: ColinB on November 15, 2018, 08:14:13 AM
One of the reasons I looked at the Leaf is Edinburgh is introducing Zero Emission Zones and because I work in the city centre an electric car could be a good idea.

I’d be very surprised if Edinburgh is contemplating a “Zero Emission Zone” which would presumably ban or charge all ICE cars. Much more likely is a Low Emission Zone which would ban or charge the worst polluters.

My home city (Bath) is also proposing a LEZ (they call it a Clean Air Zone, or CAZ) for exactly the same reasons as Edinburgh, but petrol cars that comply with Euro 4 & later - which includes the MK 3 Jazz - will be exempt. It’s more stringent for diesels, they have to be Euro 6, which has got a lot of people very annoyed.

But different cities are doing this differently, so if the impending LEZ/CAZ is a factor in your decision do check it out carefully, you may not need to go electric in order to comply.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: guest8014 on November 15, 2018, 09:33:12 AM
Had an Orange EX for two weeks now. Done 1000 miles. Pleased so far. One or two things coming to the fore:

- Car Mats needed and something for the boot.
- Rims of the Alu wheels as usual easily scraped on badly designed kerbs. Watch out when parking!
- not sure I like the constant beeps when parking but I guess get used to them.
- Went a bit quick onto a roundabout yesterday and got too close to a car leaving same and the Auto braking system came on. Quite effective but disconcerting as I was not going to collide anyway. Might be able to turn this off?
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Skyrider on November 15, 2018, 10:28:36 AM
Had an Orange EX for two weeks now. Done 1000 miles. Pleased so far. One or two things coming to the fore.

- Went a bit quick onto a roundabout yesterday and got too close to a car leaving same and the Auto braking system came on. Quite effective but disconcerting as I was not going to collide anyway. Might be able to turn this off?

Bloody hell!! Provoking the auto brakes is really pushing your luck! It can't be turned off, it is a legal requirement on new cars, sounds like you are better off with it on.

Are you sure you don't mean the collision warning system?
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: JimSh on November 15, 2018, 11:06:35 AM
One of the reasons I looked at the Leaf is Edinburgh is introducing Zero Emission Zones and because I work in the city centre an electric car could be a good idea.

I’d be very surprised if Edinburgh is contemplating a “Zero Emission Zone” which would presumably ban or charge all ICE cars. Much more likely is a Low Emission Zone which would ban or charge the worst polluters.

My home city (Bath) is also proposing a LEZ (they call it a Clean Air Zone, or CAZ) for exactly the same reasons as Edinburgh, but petrol cars that comply with Euro 4 & later - which includes the MK 3 Jazz - will be exempt. It’s more stringent for diesels, they have to be Euro 6, which has got a lot of people very annoyed.

But different cities are doing this differently, so if the impending LEZ/CAZ is a factor in your decision do check it out carefully, you may not need to go electric in order to comply.

Colin B is correct in saying it will be a Low Emission Zone.
Here is a link to a Scotsman article from last year .
https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/drivers-face-penalties-in-scotland-s-first-low-emission-zone-1-4552333
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Downsizer on November 15, 2018, 12:51:54 PM
- not sure I like the constant beeps when parking but I guess get used to them.
I find the parking sensors helpful, but they are easily turned off (dashboard lower right).
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: guest8014 on November 15, 2018, 01:21:25 PM
Had an Orange EX for two weeks now. Done 1000 miles. Pleased so far. One or two things coming to the fore.

- Went a bit quick onto a roundabout yesterday and got too close to a car leaving same and the Auto braking system came on. Quite effective but disconcerting as I was not going to collide anyway. Might be able to turn this off?

Bloody hell!! Provoking the auto brakes is really pushing your luck! It can't be turned off, it is a legal requirement on new cars, sounds like you are better off with it on.

Are you sure you don't mean the collision warning system?
Well, the brakes came on and something beeped. But then I'm a slick driver! Sounds like my rallying days' habits are over! Think NCB!
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: andruec on November 15, 2018, 04:02:46 PM
Had an Orange EX for two weeks now. Done 1000 miles. Pleased so far. One or two things coming to the fore.

- Went a bit quick onto a roundabout yesterday and got too close to a car leaving same and the Auto braking system came on. Quite effective but disconcerting as I was not going to collide anyway. Might be able to turn this off?

Bloody hell!! Provoking the auto brakes is really pushing your luck! It can't be turned off, it is a legal requirement on new cars, sounds like you are better off with it on.

Are you sure you don't mean the collision warning system?
I triggered mine once. I was going round a roundabout and someone pulled out in front of me. It would have been okay except they'd forgotten they were towing a trailer so I had to stop. I was so annoyed that once the trailer was half way past my front I floored it. I knew there was no way the CVT would let the car accelerate fast enough to hit the trailer but the collision system didn't. Cue loads of beeps and brakes coming on. Quite disconcerting.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 15, 2018, 06:22:34 PM
Colin. Yes you are right. It is a Low Emission Zone. That is what I get for trying to read and answer questions while trying to get breakfast and get ready for work. I normally try to avoid social media until I get home in the evening.
Edinburgh are discussing banning cars from George Street with the introduction of pedestrian plazas. Cars are already banned from Princes Street.
My main thoughts about an electric car is we are all going to have to go that way eventually. With 60 or 70 years of motoring ahead of me it will be the norm.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Skyrider on November 15, 2018, 06:49:44 PM
I would wait until it is the norm and a decent charging infrastructure is in place. I have seen electric cars queuing to get on chargers. People can use them as a parking space when their charge is complete. Early adoption is sometimes not a good idea.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: culzean on November 15, 2018, 07:38:51 PM
I would wait until it is the norm and a decent charging infrastructure is in place. I have seen electric cars queuing to get on chargers. People can use them as a parking space when their charge is complete. Early adoption is sometimes not a good idea.

+1

Let early adopters take the pain and frustration (some people actually seem to like it ) some battery electric vehicles ( BEV) at the moment are actually powered by the smugness of their owners ( like Toyota Prius Hybrid have been since they were introduced ).

Looking at the claimed and actual miles per charge of present BEV is like looking at apples and oranges, The NEDC figure is wildly optimistic and bears no relation to real world range.  It is the wild west out there at the moment with claims of range.  The problem seems to be that when you take a BEV on the motorway at 70mph or more the range plummets - they are tested at 50mph or something, and in stop-start motoring the range drops,  on wet roads the range drops,  in cold weather the range drops...etc. etc. )

https://www.gearbrain.com/electric-car-range-test-cycle-2547963655.html

I see James Dyson has just won a court case against the way EU allow testing of vacuum cleaners, believe it or not they allowed the testing of cleaners when they were empty ( which suited the makers of cleaners with bags - you guessed it the Germans make cleaners with bags,  he has had the testing changed so that the cleaners have to have a measured amount of dust in them when suction is tested - I would not believe that the Germans cheat the tests ( do VW make vacuum cleaners ? ).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46135645

Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: guest8014 on November 15, 2018, 07:46:16 PM
I looked at the Toyota Hybrid before buying the Jazz. Producing the battery takes energy and pollution. Getting rid of it will be solution and a cost to the owner. Replacing it after 5 years will be what £2000 plus labor? And if there is a fault in service probably several hundred quid. when every passenger vehicle is battery then all the pollution will be increased in the power source i.e. the power station. It's going together proportionally more expensive to run a vehicle of any sort soon. Back to pedal cars I think.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: andruec on November 15, 2018, 09:19:42 PM
when every passenger vehicle is battery then all the pollution will be increased in the power source i.e. the power station.
That is actually one of the major benefits of EVs. It's a lot easier to trap/filter harmful emissions from a few dozen fixed buildings than it is to trap/filter them at millions of rapidly moving vehicles. It's also easier (and often more financially/politically practical) to upgrade the trapping/filtering devices at a few dozen fixed locations. It's also a lot more practical to switch to a better power generation source in a few dozen places than it is to replace the power trains on millions of vehicles. Buy an EV today and some of the power is being generated from dirty fossil fuels. Over the lifetime of the vehicle that can change without having to modify any aspect of the vehicle.

EVs have some issues but having the power generation taking place in a few dozen specific industrial locations makes it far easier to tackle problems arising from that power generation.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: peteo48 on November 16, 2018, 10:29:22 AM
I've triggered the auto brake a couple of times and, yes, it is quite disconcerting but, overall, I think it's a useful addition to the car. On neither occasion was I in serious danger of rear ending the vehicle in front but I took this as meaning it operates on a better safe than sorry basis.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: richardfrost on November 16, 2018, 03:38:42 PM
he has had the testing changed so that the cleaners have to have a measured amount of dust in them when suction is tested

I am going to set up a company to manufacture European Standard Dust for testing purposes.

Really though, we should take the EV conversation back over to the other thread. There have been some interesting points made here and not over there.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 17, 2018, 06:19:50 PM
Spent the afternoon at Western Honda in Edinburgh. Had a test drive in a Sport and then in an EX. I liked the extras in the EX and would probably be perfectly happy with that model but after driving the Sport it felt under powered. It would probably have been better if I had tried them in the opposite order. Delivery depends on colour I choose. I think a white one looks good with the standard black wheels.
Hubby fell in love with the Civic Type R. He has arranged an extended test drive for this coming week. He had a short drive in a Civic Sport. They offered to get the Type R out for him but we were running out of time so he will try it at his leisure. It means I won’t be there to interfere.
Salesman was all set to sell me a Jazz but Bill said to wait until he has tried the Type R. I think he hopes to get a package deal.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Skyrider on November 17, 2018, 06:57:17 PM
Standard salesman move, put you in the more powerful car first (the one they want to sell) it always makes the less powerful one feel gutless. (Which it is).  ;D
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 19, 2018, 06:16:22 PM
Bill has arranged a Type R Driving Course at Knockhill for Friday morning and a test drive in Edinburgh for Friday afternoon. All right for some taking a day off work. So he’ll be getting a Type R then. My friends ask me when I am going to have kids and I tell them I already have one.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: andruec on November 19, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
Bill has arranged a Type R Driving Course at Knockhill for Friday morning and a test drive in Edinburgh for Friday afternoon. All right for some taking a day off work. So he’ll be getting a Type R then. My friends ask me when I am going to have kids and I tell them I already have one.
Tut! What a waste of a day off. I'm using mine this Friday to play golf  ;D
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: 123Drive! on November 19, 2018, 09:15:07 PM
You mean you wasted our time and effort answering enquiries about the Jazz when you should have gone to a Civic forum, Jean! Lol! Good luck with the Type-R! It's a beautiful car, and with respect to all the Jazz owners like myself, the Civic will be a great car to drive especially the Type-R.

Just remember though to get a good discount as it's end of the month. Shop around if the deal is not right and don't be afraid to go a bit further in order to get a decent deal! Remember Honda warranty covers the whole of the UK.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 19, 2018, 10:08:43 PM
I am going to get a Jazz Sport for myself as I travel to and from work in Edinburgh. That one is the family car even though it is only used to go to work and the local shops. Bill works out of Glasgow. His company car is due to be replaced after the new year hence the reason he is looking at the Type R. The only fly in the ointment I can see is if he wants me to hang on until he can get the two together then my Fiesta will have to be MOT'd. It should be okay as it is only coming up for 36000 miles and has been serviced by the dealer.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: guest4871 on November 19, 2018, 10:54:20 PM
Don't be afraid to buy through Drivethedeal. The dealer sales and service people don't really speak to each other so if another dealer supplies the car your local dealer will still be very happy to service it for you (and deal with any warranty problems for you). You could save a lot of money. I saved about 15% off list and got the 5 year warranty and 5 year service plan on offer at the time just as though I was buying through the local dealer.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: olduser1 on November 20, 2018, 12:14:21 PM
I would always avoid the new car deals, take a look at Motorpoint and similar outlets Drive the deal etc.
On the test drive you need to vary the roads min time 30-40 mins. Then bargain hard there are 000's of Jazz around Honda dealers are desperate for sales this month - best time to get a deal done November
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 20, 2018, 06:18:48 PM
My husband is the Business Consultant so I just allow him to do the wheeling and dealing. He buys cars after the start of the year but before the change of registration numbers.
For my test drive I drove my daily commute. It was a 50+ mile test drive and on the roads and similar traffic to what it will be used for. Other than using the car for work it is only used to and from the local supermarket. If we go anywhere we always use Bill’s car and share the driving.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Sidot on November 21, 2018, 10:15:23 AM
Good luck with your car.
Whichever Jazz you choose you will grow to love it.
I'm on my third new Jazz and I have a CVT SE.
My first automatic.
No regrets. Still sometimes reach for the gearstick but would not go back to a manual.
I'm a fan of Diamond Bright also.
Like the others say it's a buyers market so negotiate the best deal that you can.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 21, 2018, 06:24:29 PM
I am going to buy a manual Jazz Sport. I am in two minds about going for the Navi option. I don’t need a satellite navigation system as I drive the same roads all the time but having it may improve the resale value when we come to move the car on. Once Bill starts making a deal I’ll see what he comes up with.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Downsizer on November 21, 2018, 10:04:15 PM
I am going to buy a manual Jazz Sport. I am in two minds about going for the Navi option. I don’t need a satellite navigation system as I drive the same roads all the time but having it may improve the resale value when we come to move the car on. Once Bill starts making a deal I’ll see what he comes up with.
There's no reason why you shouldn't drive a Jazz for 10 years without problems, by which time the added value of the Satnav will be negligible (and the maps will be out of date!)
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 22, 2018, 06:27:33 PM
I don’t doubt it in the least. I have seen loads of old Hondas going about. My father has a 10 year old VW and when I first started driving my cars were 5 and 6 years old. It is just that my husband replaces the car he has for his business every 3 years and we change my car at the same age. It saves me worrying about MOT tests.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: andruec on November 22, 2018, 06:29:28 PM
I don’t doubt it in the least. I have seen loads of old Hondas going about. My father has a 10 year old VW and when I first started driving my cars were 5 and 6 years old. It is just that my husband replaces the car he has for his business every 3 years and we change my car at the same age. It saves me worrying about MOT tests.
I generally change mine every 3 to four years for the same reason. This one might make it to four years simply because Honda haven't yet released an HEV Jazz for the UK market. But 2020 is likely to be the year I change again.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 23, 2018, 06:30:13 PM
Bill phoned Knockhill first thing to see if his drive was still on. Because of the heavy rain they gave him the option of rescheduling but when he explained the situation they said to come up. It wasn’t too wet when he got there and he had a great time. What impressed him most was the level of grip the instructor found when he did a fast lap. Bill reckoned the instructor was faster in the wet than he would have managed in the dry.
His test drive in the afternoon went well though he still had to wait on them getting the Type R out of the showroom. He thought they would at least have had it ready. Outcome is he wants one so I will have to wait until the New Year to get my Jazz. He too decided on a white one which isn’t fair. It will look like we have his and her Hondas. He intends getting the wheels painted red. There is a company here in town that does that. He normally gets the wheels restored before he sells on a car.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 27, 2018, 09:05:35 PM
Husband is adamant that he is going to have a white Civic and I am equally adamant that we are not having white his and her Hondas parked on the drive. I am going to choose another colour. I am just not sure what looks best on the Sport.
I definitely won’t be Silver. I hate Silver cars. My dad had a series of Silver company cars and I thought they looked so tatty. I don’t want Black either. I think a Black car makes a statement I don’t want to make. You can keep Black for the Alpha males.
Currently I am torn between the Grey and the Orange but I am open to suggestions.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Dayjo on November 27, 2018, 10:21:12 PM
When we called into our local dealer's, back in February. Navigator decided, Sporty Blue Metallic. For our upcoming EX Navi......

https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=9885.msg57125#msg57125


We still love the colour......  ;)
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Skyrider on November 28, 2018, 08:28:29 AM
Orange only comes near to orange on a bright sunny day with a clean car. Otherwise it looks Brown. My last Jazz was Orange, it looks good in showroom conditions but not in the real world. Tell your other half that white is a girly colour and a Civic looks best in red.  ;D
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: andruec on November 28, 2018, 11:14:12 AM
Orange only comes near to orange on a bright sunny day with a clean car. Otherwise it looks Brown.
I don't agree. I rarely wash mine and even on a day like today it looks orange, just not as bright.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Hobo on November 28, 2018, 11:48:34 AM
a Civic looks best in red.  ;D

My first Civic was blue and the boss was adamant that the latest one had to be brilliant sporty blue, who am I to disagree I am only the chauffeur.  ;D
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: peteo48 on November 28, 2018, 12:03:51 PM
I haven't had a red car for years (doesn't match my football allegiances for one thing) but I do like Honda's red - Milano. The Civic and the Jazz look good in this.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Downsizer on November 28, 2018, 05:30:45 PM
Currently I am torn between the Grey and the Orange but I am open to suggestions.
I've seen a skyride blue metallic which looks very smart with the red sport trim.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 28, 2018, 08:20:36 PM
@ Dayjo. The images you link to look a lot darker and more vibrant than the Brilliant Sporty Blue Metallic image on Honda’s web site. I have not seen that colour in the flesh as Western Honda did not have a Jazz in that colour on display. I’ll phone Western Honda in Dunfermline and see if they have one I can look at.
@ Skyrider. I have tried every trick in my book to get him to change his mind but there is no budging him. My car spends half the winter dirty so Orange might not be a great idea.
Red doesn’t float my boat. Perhaps if it was a metallic but the solid colour looks rather bland.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Dayjo on November 28, 2018, 09:26:23 PM
Orange only comes near to orange on a bright sunny day with a clean car. Otherwise it looks Brown.
I don't agree. I rarely wash mine and even on a day like today it looks orange, just not as bright.

Sorry!
 The first orange one we saw, was in local Morrison's car park.
Navigator, immediately remarked. "That's not orange. It's a funny brown!".

I had to agree.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Dayjo on November 28, 2018, 09:41:29 PM
@ Jeangenie.
 You're right!

You have to see one, in the flesh. Subtle colour changes, according to the intensity of the light.......

(https://i.postimg.cc/TPKxm1BF/IMG-20180509-172406-LI.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on November 30, 2018, 03:27:58 PM
That looks gorgeous. Phoned Dunfermline and they said they don’t have a Brilliant Sporty Blue one but they are getting an S in for a customer and will phone me when it arrives. I’ll give it a look.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: John Ratsey on November 30, 2018, 06:48:41 PM
My car spends half the winter dirty so Orange might not be a great idea.
Orange is a very good idea if you aren't an assiduous car cleaner: The orange turns browner as it gets dirty but doesn't look dirty. I discovered this when I had a sunset orange Jazz and washed it at the end of the winter: It changed from a dull brownish orange to a much brighter shade of orange. Much better than the morpho blue on my HR-V which quickly looks dirty.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: andruec on November 30, 2018, 09:39:27 PM
Yup, John, that's my experience as well. You can't even really see the dirt build up around the sills. When you do get around to washing it (or in my case when the garage doing the service does) it's quite a shock to see how orange it can be :)
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on December 05, 2018, 10:02:33 AM
Just had a phone call to say Dunfermline has received the Brilliant Sporty Blue S in. I will finish a bit earlier today and swing by on my way home for a look.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Dayjo on December 05, 2018, 10:06:10 AM
Lovely! Enjoy...  :)
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: olduser1 on December 05, 2018, 11:54:00 AM
Sounds good, don't forget to bargain for all the accessories you need , free carpets etc + full tank of fuel.
Good Luck
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on December 05, 2018, 09:14:04 PM
Popped in to see car this evening and it is a great colour. I was only able to see it under the workshop lights as it was dark by the time I reached the garage. In fact it has been pretty much dark all day in Edinburgh.
I think Brilliant Sporty Blue is the colour I will go for. My husband says he will get the wheels painted a different colour if I wish. I am considering a lighter blue metallic. The dealer will get them done for us prior to our collecting the cars.
@olduser1. My husband buys one or two new cars every years. These are either for ourselves or his business. He has even bought cars for family members who appreciate the great deals he gets. I am confident he will get as good a deal on the two new Hondas as anyone would.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: andruec on December 05, 2018, 09:16:43 PM
Popped in to see car this evening and it is a great colour. I was only able to see it under the workshop lights as it was dark by the time I reached the garage. In fact it has been pretty much dark all day in Edinburgh.
As they say, 'It's grim up north'.

Mind you it was pretty wet and grey down here as well :-/
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: John A on December 06, 2018, 07:19:26 AM
Popped in to see car this evening and it is a great colour. I was only able to see it under the workshop lights as it was dark by the time I reached the garage. In fact it has been pretty much dark all day in Edinburgh.
As they say, 'It's grim up north'.

Mind you it was pretty wet and grey down here as well :-/

Edinburgh isn't the "North" it's the deep south, for me in Aberdeen, and Thurso is another 5 hours driving into "there be dragons" territory  :o

There again, for some, anywhere north of the Watford Gap is the "North / There be dragons territory"  ;D
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: andruec on December 06, 2018, 08:34:48 AM
Popped in to see car this evening and it is a great colour. I was only able to see it under the workshop lights as it was dark by the time I reached the garage. In fact it has been pretty much dark all day in Edinburgh.
As they say, 'It's grim up north'.

Mind you it was pretty wet and grey down here as well :-/

Edinburgh isn't the "North" it's the deep south, for me in Aberdeen, and Thurso is another 5 hours driving into "there be dragons" territory  :o

There again, for some, anywhere north of the Watford Gap is the "North / There be dragons territory"  ;D
I live in Northamptonshire and that's kind of weird because it's a narrow, north/south county. Most of the population thinks of itself as 'midlands' but those of us down the bottom end tend to think more like the south. There's a definite 'northern' feel to Northampton - definitely flat cap territory :)

Officially we're East Midlands but we like to refer to it as South Midlands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Midlands) because that separates us from the flat cap brigade :)
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: olduser1 on December 06, 2018, 11:04:58 AM
Great enjoy your Jazz
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Brian_I on December 06, 2018, 05:15:30 PM
Just had a phone call to say Dunfermline has received the Brilliant Sporty Blue S in. I will finish a bit earlier today and swing by on my way home for a look.

it is a rather nice shade of Blue. My mum has recently trader in her Fiat 500L, for a rather nice looking 2015 Jazz in that Brilliant Sport Blue. And it does look rather nice :-)  My 2013 Jazz  does have electric folding door mirrors though  :D
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: andruec on December 06, 2018, 08:31:55 PM
Just had a phone call to say Dunfermline has received the Brilliant Sporty Blue S in. I will finish a bit earlier today and swing by on my way home for a look.

it is a rather nice shade of Blue. My mum has recently trader in her Fiat 500L, for a rather nice looking 2015 Jazz in that Brilliant Sport Blue. And it does look rather nice :-)  My 2013 Jazz  does have electric folding door mirrors though  :D
So does mine, and I use them every night when parking in the garage. Unfortunately for the last year they've sometimes been reluctant to unfold or have got over excited and started folding and unfolding shortly after driving off :-/
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on December 08, 2018, 05:32:05 PM
Well that is the order placed for the two cars. A Brilliant Sporty Blue Jazz Sport for me and a Championship White Civic Type R for Bill. We pick them up the first week in February. I am having my wheels repainted light metallic blue and Bill’s wheels repainted red. They will send them out to an independent wheel specialist to get that done. We have to pay for that but they will get it done prior to us collecting the cars. I will have to get my Fiesta MOT’d between Christmas and New Year as it is due the first week in January. We are on holiday over the Christmas period so that won’t be an issue.
This morning I saw a Brilliant Sporty Blue Type R here in Kirkcaldy. I didn’t know you could get the Type R in blue. I thought it only came in White, Black and Red. It sounded wicked as the driver gunned it between light.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: MartinJG on December 08, 2018, 11:31:44 PM
Jeangenie

Electric blue. Good for you. Let yourself go...
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on December 09, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
Added an avatar but until I actually get my new car it will have to be a generic Jazz Sport image.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Skyrider on December 09, 2018, 06:51:30 PM
It's a bit on the dark side of Skyride, but I choose the car, the boss does colours so I end up with some girly ones! If I cared about street cred it would not be a Jazz. We loved the practicality of the 1.3, this practicality along with improved drive of the 1.5 was a no brainer for us.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on December 27, 2018, 04:27:23 PM
Stuck the Fiesta in for its MOT today. Got a phone call mid-morning to say that it needed a number plate light and the two front tyres were below 3 mm. Though tyres were not a fail they suggested I change them. We would have done that before I sell car anyway so I said to go ahead. When I picked car up after lunch they hadn’t charged me for number plate lamp repair. Car had been washed and valeted.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Jeangenie on December 28, 2018, 08:22:26 AM
Just realised it is only six weeks until I get my new Jazz. Driving the Fiesta is beginning to feel like a chore.
Title: Re: Looking to buy first ever Jazz
Post by: Dayjo on December 28, 2018, 10:12:38 PM
Just realised it is only six weeks until I get my new Jazz. Driving the Fiesta is beginning to feel like a chore.

Hang in there!

It will be worth the wait......  ;)