Tyre Repair Kit

[VicW]

I am becoming more of a knackered old fart and the thought of changing a wheel in the event of a puncture is now a bit daunting although I am a member of the Brittania Rescue breakdown organisation so i guess they would do it.

I digress. Has anyone had cause to use the Honda tyre repair kit supplied with those models without a spare wheel, if so did it work satisfactorily?
Also has anyone used any other make of repair kit which are available from Halfords etc?

Regards,  Vic.

[culzean]

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/our-cars/mazda-6-22d-se-l-nav-auto/hj-gets-a-puncture/

http://www.rac.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?16263-Motorists-being-caught-out-with-no-spare-tyre

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2837237/The-REAL-reason-car-firms-won-t-spare-tyre-Manufacturers-scrimp-installing-extra-wheels-cut-costs.html

general opinion seems to be that post-puncture goo (as opposed to stuff you put into tyre before you get a puncture) are not only a con and total waste of time but can prevent tyre being repaired later.  Most people realise that if car makers are not fitting a spare to save weight (and reduce fuel consumption) it takes an awful long time to see any saving and one puncture where goo is used and tyre cannot be repaired (because of goo residue in tyre) can mean a new tyre (£60 to £300 - probably a lot more if you have to call a recovery service or tyre company out) instead of a £10 repair - its a no brainer really.  Goo probably works in less than 10% of punctures anyway.

There are always car makers that will argue that statistics show that 80% of spare wheels never get used and why drivers don't need a spare ECU or ignition coil, fuel pump etc etc.   The truth is the tyre is uniquely vulnerable to contact with potholes, kerbs and general junk in the road which are outside drivers control, and most drivers are capable of changing a wheel,  whereas few could replace anything more involved.

[edam]

Whot if you was just to carry a spare tyre ,perhaps a part worn one, but not on a wheel.
My fronts will soon need changing so it may be worth keeping the best old one.
Would a rescue service be able to put it on to the wheel??

[guest5261]

That's what I'm doing with a fifth winter I bought new as a spare. But I think the answer is probably not unless your rescuer is a specialist tyre fitter. Their vans have all that is needed to take a tyre off a rim and replace it with another one. I think that the likes of the AA do not, and it is the AA that would, I think, turn up if you called Honda Rescue as per your warranty package.

[edam]

I'm not with Honda Rescue but will ask my rescue company what they would do.
As for the repair kit I carry a out of date Honda one and one bought from Halfords.

[culzean]

My wifes GE 1.4 Si didn't have a spare when we bought it so I got 4 Nokian winter tyres on steel rims from mytyres.co.uk  for just over £300.  One serves as a full size spare in summer with a summer tyre on alloy wheel for the winter spare.  Would not recommend a spacesaver (having driven on one) over a full size spare,  but better than goo any day.

In countries that are less urban than UK , with larger distances (Australia for instance - I believe ADR Australian design rules) insist on a spare, but in UK we get dumped on as usual as a 'soft touch'.

[longlegpete]

My Jazz Ex was the first car without a spare of some kind, i personally think its easier to change a wheel than mess about with tyre solution and little compressors at the roadside, find the jacking points and the jack and tools on a dry clear day, then if you need to use them its all much less daunting , i bought a full size spare on Ebay within a week of getting the car

[guest5251]

we have used this on our jazz and it has worked a treat
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAR-VAN-TUBELESS-TYRE-TIRE-PUNCTURE-REPAIR-KIT-WITH-FULL-KIT-10-STRIPS-/201490929821?hash=item2ee9cb989d:g:vyoAAOSwyTZUXOYn

1st remove puncture
2nd use bradall to open up the hole
3rd use insertion tool and insert a repair strip
4th re-inflate tyre
i used one of these approx 4mth's ago and the tyre is still up now.

[guest5770]

That repair doesn't comply with British Standards which states that the tyre must be removed from the rim and inspected for internal damage then a vulcanised patch must be applied.

I don't think I would want a tyre that has just been plugged.

[culzean]

That repair doesn't comply with British Standards which states that the tyre must be removed from the rim and inspected for internal damage then a vulcanised patch must be applied.

I don't think I would want a tyre that has just been plugged.

not sure that the ebay kit is legal in UK (as other things on ebay aren't).

The only proper legal repair appears to be a mushroom headed vulcanised plug applied from inside the tyre, this completely  seals the hole right through to the outer surface and prevents water and salt entering the steel cording which would cause corrosion.  A simple patch applied to inside surface of tyre does not do this.   Tyres can only be repaired legally if puncture is within centre 3/4 width of tread,  repairs close to or on the tyre wall cannot be repaired due to flexing of the carcass which will cause them to fail in use.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=77

[guest5251]

these kits where designed for motorbikes and in the kit came a C02 cannister for re inflation of the tyre
if my memory serves me right bmw used to supply these kits for their bike buyers,
if they are safe for use on a 2 wheeled vehicle then in my opinion they must be ok to use.
and as it happens they do mushroom on the inside of the tyre
have a look at this ad
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Safety-Seal-Car-Tubeless-Tyre-Repair-Kit-Large-/321934829874?hash=item4af4cfa932:g:SjwAAOSwF1dUSmOD
look at the right hand image and it states it is tuv approved so this method is a recognised repair method
in the industry.

[culzean]

Advert does mention combi-plug inserted from inside the tyre,  but no sign of those in the picture of kit contents - only the PLUS kits have internal plug patches. Also the kit mentioned in latest post is made in Sweden and costs quite a bit,  the original kit was £6.20 and called 'Ranger Stork' or some such Asian / mangled pseudo English  name - and even then seller says other kits may be substituted and 'delivered to UK via Royal Mail' (from Asia somewhere),  seems to be a knockoff copy of original Swedish kit.

As a motorbike rider I wouldn't be happy to have a permanent repair done to a tyre on my bike as the results of sudden deflation on a bike at high speed don't bear thinking about,  and unless puncture hole is small and at right angles through carcass I don't think it is allowed.   Very few if any garages will repair a motorbike tyre because of risks involved.

http://www.dunlop.eu/dunlop_euen/mc/what_sets_dunlop_apart/tyre_care/

I'm not having a go,  just giving other side of argument about how important it is to get tyres repaired properly.

[guest5251]

i personally have never said its a permanent repair ,it will get you home safely and it far better than pushing your motorbike home,i am well aware that you should never repair a motorbike on a permanent basis.like with a space saver tyre for a car its designed for lower speeds that will get you home.

[guest5247]

I insisted on a thin spare when i bought my Jazz recently,  just the thought of that liquid kit really annoys me.
So i now have a thin spare,  big polystyrene cover , vehicle jack , wrench all in place just for when i need it.

Cost a lot but worth every penny if its pouring with rain somewhere very inconvenient to get a flat.

[RichardA]

I can never remove my wheels anyway after the tyre fitters or dealer tighten them up using their power tools!

...That said though I'd rather have a spare than a TRK that probably will render a tyre repairable. Honda are of course not alone in not supplying spare wheels/spacesavers, Dad insisted on a spare wheel when he bought his Kia Picanto which the dealer threw in for free.