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Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« on: June 18, 2018, 10:43:36 PM »
My Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 Auto has ABS problem.

When I start engile , it checks ABS light than off . But after few seconds light on and it continue all time.

Sometimes light on and it remains on all time.

I took my car to local repair shop. They told me to change ABS pump.

From where I can buy?



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Re: Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2018, 06:06:19 AM »
Welcome. I don't know how good their diagnosis was, but usually an ABS fault is down to a sensor or sensor connection.

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Re: Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2018, 08:42:30 AM »
Jocko's right, more often than not, it's a  wheel sensor or wiring - but ABS modules have been known to fail on the Jazz. If it is indeed the ABS pump, I would be looking for a secondhand unit from a breaker, a new one will only come from Honda and will be hideously expensive.

Did the garage do a diagnostic check to see where the problem is, ideally using the Honda HDS or a clone? Did he give you any idea of the fault codes stored?

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Re: Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2018, 09:16:38 AM »
My Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 Auto has ABS problem.

When I start engile , it checks ABS light than off . But after few seconds light on and it continue all time.

Sometimes light on and it remains on all time.

I took my car to local repair shop. They told me to change ABS pump.

From where I can buy?



The ABS sensors ( one on each wheel) feed back pulses to the control unit as the wheels rotate, if it is not happy with the pulses  the ABS light will come on. The brakes will obviously still work OK to stop the car if ABS not working ( it has to fail to a safe condition). Have you tried the ABS on a wet road (or a dirt road) to see if wheels just lock up without releasing the wheels when they skid (pulsing the brakes) ?  Every time I have the wheels off the car I will spray motorbike chain lube (it is plastic and rubber friendly, is very thin to start with but dries to a sticky grease) or ACF50 (also rubber friendly)  onto the ABS wiring plugs which are in the thin electrical lead you can see coming up from the wheels.  This seals them against salt and water ingress and corrosion - they are in a very exposed position under the wheel arch.

After starting, my motorbike leaves the ABS light illuminated until it has seen the wheels rotate a few times and checked the pulses from the wheel sensors.
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Re: Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2018, 09:38:34 AM »
When I had brake problems on my MGF, I needed to test the ABS pump, and tried the following test:
Jack one wheel up, Ignition On, Engine Off, Bonnet Up.  Rotate the jacked-up wheel and you should hear the ABS unit 'chatter'.  Repeat for each wheel.  You may need a 2nd person to listen for you while you rotate the wheel.
Make sure the car is secure on its jack/supports before spinning the wheel.
On the MG, the ABS unit was fine - the problems where elsewhere (just about everywhere else in fact).

If you want a nice simple test, try full brakes while driving in reverse.  This is very likely to cause the ABS to control the brakes as the little rear brakes will attempt to be the main brakes while the powerful front brakes will lock.  Make sure you have sufficient space for the extended stopping distance.

If you think you have real ABS problems then make sure you get the entire brake system looked at and properly tested.  it's one part of the car that really has to work.  Good Luck - brake problems can be worrying, and many garages are quite poor at fixing the problems.

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Re: Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2018, 05:24:35 AM »
Thank You All.

I took two garage.
They told me the same thing.

The last garage I was present when the test is done.They connect  one laptop look device on the car.
I ask them several times is it sensor fault? He said no. The second garage charge me £25 and first garage is free.

How this test is reliable ?

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Re: Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2018, 09:26:09 PM »
There are a number of fault codes which relate explicitly to problems within the pump module, including motor failure, brake pressure sensor faults, no communication with ABS ECU, etc., etc..

Any wiring or sensor issues are usually obvious from the fault codes.

If the garages have not found any sensor related codes, their diagnosis may well be correct.

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Re: Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2018, 10:09:01 PM »
Can I buy a car diagnostic tool from Amazon/ Ebay?

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Re: Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2018, 06:10:45 AM »
You can buy an OBD2 reader.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Scanner-Engine-OBD-II-Diagnostic-LITOON-UK/dp/B072HF3SXN/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1529903163&sr=8-7&keywords=obd2
However. to read ABS faults you need specialised (and expensive) diagnostics readers.

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Re: Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2018, 06:20:51 PM »
Hi,
I am new to this forum but not new to the Jazz as I have owned it for 14 years.
I have just repaired a faulty abs pump. Before you spend out any money you can try this, turn the ignition on but don’t start the car. Place a long screw driver on the pump to hear if it’s working, if not disconnect the battery negative lead. Mark the pumps top edge  so you put it back the correct way.There are 2 4mm Allen bolts hholding the pump on, the bottom one you cannot see and is a bit fiddly to access. Pull the motor straight out be gentle do not twist the housing left to right as you may damage the two pins that power the motor, keep the gasket as it needs to go back on when reinstalling. I used a multi meter( I am an electrician) connect to both pins and set the mult meter to the ohms scale if the reading is about 0.7 ohms the windings are still good and the motor may just be stuck. Tap the base of the housing a few times to see if you can release it, spray with silicon spray  or actf50, just not wd40. I Applied applied 12vots to the pumps pins and it worked fine. On reinstallation my sure you the mark that you made is on the top. The pins look the same but it will only go back the correct way. Be gentle pushing the pump motor in as it’s a bit of a faff to locate those pins correctly. Replace the Allen bolts, reconnect the battery. Start car and hopefully your abs light goes off.
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Ben

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Re: Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2018, 07:58:32 PM »
Hi,
I am new to this forum but not new to the Jazz as I have owned it for 14 years.
I have just repaired a faulty abs pump. Before you spend out any money you can try this, turn the ignition on but don’t start the car. Place a long screw driver on the pump to hear if it’s working, if not disconnect the battery negative lead. Mark the pumps top edge  so you put it back the correct way.There are 2 4mm Allen bolts hholding the pump on, the bottom one you cannot see and is a bit fiddly to access. Pull the motor straight out be gentle do not twist the housing left to right as you may damage the two pins that power the motor, keep the gasket as it needs to go back on when reinstalling. I used a multi meter( I am an electrician) connect to both pins and set the mult meter to the ohms scale if the reading is about 0.7 ohms the windings are still good and the motor may just be stuck. Tap the base of the housing a few times to see if you can release it, spray with silicon spray  or actf50, just not wd40. I Applied applied 12vots to the pumps pins and it worked fine. On reinstallation my sure you the mark that you made is on the top. The pins look the same but it will only go back the correct way. Be gentle pushing the pump motor in as it’s a bit of a faff to locate those pins correctly. Replace the Allen bolts, reconnect the battery. Start car and hopefully your abs light goes off.
Regards
Ben

welcome, good informative post,  why did you wait so long ? What else have you fixed on your Jazz ?

I just fitted a new aircon clutch to my Civic - a right PITA of a job, ended up taking windscreen washer reservoir and bumper off but at least I learned a lot (not least was how to remove a Civic bumper).  But at least I knew what was wrong and checked it out with ohmeter first that clutch magnetising coil was FUBAR,  but decided to fit a whole new clutch rather than just the coil (coils was £30,  the whole clutch £55) turned out to be a good move as the clutch plate was in bad condition anyway - fitted a new auxiliary belt at same time (another £50) - found out the Civic has a hydraulic / spring belt tensioner that you have to put a spanner and lever away from belt to slacken.

I like messing with cars, sometimes my language gets bad though.

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Re: Honda Jazz Se Cvt 2007 ABS problem
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2018, 08:37:57 PM »
Thanks, to be honest the car has been super reliable it has never been to Honda other the recalls M.D. warranty work I do all my own servicing, as it’s a cvt it had the clutch judder at about 6 years old which Honda repaired under warranty. I change the cvt-f oil every 2 years. I have not bothered with the tappets as it runs fine and has 100000 miles on the clock. I just installed a new washer pump for the rear washer. Pattern part ebay £8. Brakes, discs, exhausts. Regular oil and filter replacement is the key to long life for these cars.
This has been a blindingly reliable car. ( fingers crossed)

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