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richardfrost

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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2021, 08:47:08 PM »
If they’re a third worn at the front, can you move them to the back?

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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2021, 08:50:54 PM »
However I couldn't find any label information so I will ask Maxxis UK is they have any info to help us determine on how good the AP3 are.

195/55R16 XL are rated Fuel Economy C, Wet Grip C and Noise 70dB, if you believe any of it.

https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyres/maxxis/premitra-all-season-ap3/

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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2021, 09:40:42 PM »
However I couldn't find any label information so I will ask Maxxis UK is they have any info to help us determine on how good the AP3 are.

195/55R16 XL are rated Fuel Economy C, Wet Grip C and Noise 70dB, if you believe any of it.

https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyres/maxxis/premitra-all-season-ap3/


Wow! Thanks for that sparky Paul. At least it gives you an idea of the rating. Looking at it, it seems summer tyres are slightly quieter compared to all seasons.

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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2021, 09:04:46 AM »
My Bluearth all season tyres were not all that noisy to begin with and with a couple of thousand miles on them they are even quieter.

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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2021, 10:05:53 AM »
However I couldn't find any label information so I will ask Maxxis UK is they have any info to help us determine on how good the AP3 are.

195/55R16 XL are rated Fuel Economy C, Wet Grip C and Noise 70dB, if you believe any of it.

https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyres/maxxis/premitra-all-season-ap3/


Wow! Thanks for that sparky Paul. At least it gives you an idea of the rating. Looking at it, it seems summer tyres are slightly quieter compared to all seasons.

Cars with continuous circumferential grooves ( summer tyres ) should always be quieter than tyres with interrupted lateral tread pattern like winter tyres.  Ever been in a older Landrover Defender with off-road tyres the noise ( and vibration ) was something else..
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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2021, 11:34:37 AM »
195/55R16 XL are rated Fuel Economy C, Wet Grip C and Noise 70dB, if you believe any of it.

https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyres/maxxis/premitra-all-season-ap3/


Wow! Thanks for that sparky Paul. At least it gives you an idea of the rating. Looking at it, it seems summer tyres are slightly quieter compared to all seasons.

Actually, nobody noticed I picked the wrong size :-[

185/55R16 XL are marked Fuel Economy E, Wet Grip C and Noise 70dB - again, if you believe any of it  ;)

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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2021, 12:42:12 PM »
if you believe any of it  ;)
;D Best not to get hung up on tyre labels!

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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2021, 11:56:37 AM »
If they’re a third worn at the front, can you move them to the back?

Yes
But Michelin CCs are directional so move to  rear at the same side ONLY and ditto rear to front.

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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2021, 10:20:25 AM »
I bought my 2014 Jazz in 2016 with 28k miles on the clock, it had Michelin ES from new but the fronts needed replacing so the dealer fitted a pair of Uniroyal Rainmaster's, they were fine but lasted less than 20k so I reverted back to Michelin ES. The Michelin were much quieter, better on MPG, lasted longer and I don't have any problems with grip.

When I had the last MOT in Feb 2020 (81,700), the garage said I would need to replace the front tyres in a few months but then lockdown happened. I still have the same front tyres, now on 84,500, have worked from home since the lockdown and expect to retire this year.

I have considered buying a set (or perhaps pair) of winter tyres on steel wheels but I don't think we get enough consistently bad weather so after reading this I think you've persuaded me to change to all climates - thanks.


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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2021, 10:32:55 AM »
I have considered buying a set (or perhaps pair) of winter tyres on steel wheels but I don't think we get enough consistently bad weather so after reading this I think you've persuaded me to change to all climates - thanks.

Just fitting a pair of winter tyres is a dangerous thing ( and may well invalidate insurance ), we are always told that we should fit the 'best' tyres on the rear of a car,  does that mean fitting winters on the rear of a front wheel drive car ? The benefits of winter tyres are not just traction for moving the vehicle, but lateral grip and most importantly braking....
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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2021, 10:55:59 AM »
I have considered buying a set (or perhaps pair) of winter tyres on steel wheels but I don't think we get enough consistently bad weather so after reading this I think you've persuaded me to change to all climates - thanks.

Just fitting a pair of winter tyres is a dangerous thing ( and may well invalidate insurance ), we are always told that we should fit the 'best' tyres on the rear of a car,  does that mean fitting winters on the rear of a front wheel drive car ? The benefits of winter tyres are not just traction for moving the vehicle, but lateral grip and most importantly braking....

I think we had this discussion before and I did read reports supporting this theory but in my experience I would always fit the 'best' tyres to the driven wheels and in the case of FWD, those wheels also do most of the breaking.

I'm not going to fit winter tyres to front only now but thanks for your concern.


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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2021, 11:10:22 AM »
I put a pair of Winters on the front of my HRV, when I had it! No ill effects. Worked really well. I thought long and hard about it but what finally convinced my was the owner of the tyre specialists. Whilst it was in his interest to sell me a full set he strongly advised fronts was all I needed.

@Basil - in your situation, I would swap the fronts and rears around to get more even wear, which would then leave me in a position to replace all four in one go late this year. My son drives my Jazz at the moment and he drove in a blizzard on Thursday on regular cheap brand tyres. So I would be tempted to go with All Season all round when it next comes to re-shod that car.

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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2021, 12:00:14 PM »
I put a pair of Winters on the front of my HRV, when I had it! No ill effects. Worked really well. I thought long and hard about it but what finally convinced my was the owner of the tyre specialists. Whilst it was in his interest to sell me a full set he strongly advised fronts was all I needed.

@Basil - in your situation, I would swap the fronts and rears around to get more even wear, which would then leave me in a position to replace all four in one go late this year. My son drives my Jazz at the moment and he drove in a blizzard on Thursday on regular cheap brand tyres. So I would be tempted to go with All Season all round when it next comes to re-shod that car.


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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2021, 12:28:52 PM »
Bloody hell! I stand corrected. If I had seen that before I put two on my HRV, well, I wouldn't have put two one. Very clear @Culzean.

In my defence, I have a full set on my current car. And I did suggest @Basil puts a full set on his when he decides it is time to replace them.

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Re: Michelin Energy Savers
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2021, 01:23:39 PM »
Here is another comparison - normal 2WD car with winter tyres compared to 4WD with summer tyres.  One good thing about winters on steels is your expensive alloys are in the dry garage while the cheap steel rims get all the salt etc. and while the winters are on car your summer tyres not wearing out.



Same AWD car with winters and all seasons

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