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auntyneddy

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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2017, 11:32:11 AM »
Forgive me for being a little slow in understanding about smart meters. 11bn to supply and fit? Why can't they just be a plug in into the nearest 13amp socket? I unfortunately buy my electricity from EDF a wholly owned subsidiary of EDF France which in turn is subsidised by the French government, which I understood was against EU rules. Another gripe is because we are ALL electric we get no discounts as the dual fuel people do.  However at the last time of discussion friends who have a property in France ( boy are they moaning now) their electircity was considerably cheaper than here in the UK.
Back to the plug in, if EDF can turn my economy 7 on and off by a signal down the power lines why can't the smart meter work the same way????? One can buy all sorts of electrical gizmos on line and a cost of only a few pounds so where in heavens name does the figure 11bn come from? Nice little earner!!!!!!!!!!!!!Perhaps I am being too simplistic as the signal to operate the economy 7 is I believe a pulse so to be more sensible perhaps the smart meter would be just a LITTLE more complicated. However, if it can't just be a plug in where is to be fitted? Our meter is in a box OUTSIDE the bungalow. I believe there is a thought that it is another way of gathering information. So if I do not want one is there going to be a one off rebate???? I think not.

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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2017, 12:23:15 PM »
The UK rejected the opportunity to control these smart meters with signal over the normal power cables (like economy 7) and opted to used short range wi-fi for gas to electric meter and then mobile phone network for the long distance communications LOL.  Other countries use power lines for signals,  I have a feeling we went for most complicated most expensive least reliable option again,  but HS2 will dwarf smart meter cost when the taxpayer gets the 90BN + bill,  not a bad price for a white elephant ego project.
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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2017, 03:38:22 PM »
First Utility supplied our smart meter for electricity last year.
I switched to EON - and the smart meter is incompatible.

Wast of money..

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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2017, 02:57:43 PM »
First Utility supplied our smart meter for electricity last year.
I switched to EON - and the smart meter is incompatible.

Wast of money..

I recently moved to a new build where a smart meter was already installed for the electricity, but the gas was just the normal one.

Once in, I found that both gas and electricity was provided by British Gas but I wanted to port over my Utility provider which incidentally was First Utility.

Took a while to get everything transferred over due to British Gas incompetence but I got a call earlier this week from Enpower (?) who said they are ringing on behalf of Siemens and want to arrange a time for an engineer to come out and change out meters to smart meters and will also provide the screen/ unit so I can see how much energy i'm using.

This has been arranged for mid June which is their next availability and apparently at no cost to me

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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2017, 05:00:27 PM »
First Utility supplied our smart meter for electricity last year.
I switched to EON - and the smart meter is incompatible.

Wast of money..

I recently moved to a new build where a smart meter was already installed for the electricity, but the gas was just the normal one.

Once in, I found that both gas and electricity was provided by British Gas but I wanted to port over my Utility provider which incidentally was First Utility.

Took a while to get everything transferred over due to British Gas incompetence but I got a call earlier this week from Enpower (?) who said they are ringing on behalf of Siemens and want to arrange a time for an engineer to come out and change out meters to smart meters and will also provide the screen/ unit so I can see how much energy i'm using.

This has been arranged for mid June which is their next availability and apparently at no cost to me

Energy suppliers are not (unfortunately) allowed to charge for installation,  but everyones bills will go up because they are not going to absorb the 11Billion and rising cost of fitting smart meters to every home. So even people like me who don't want one will get hit with higher bills.  Without variable tariffs the smart meters are just a pretty display and a saving in meter readers wages for the suppliers.

Seems like with most things, the early adopters have been guinea pigs for the ones who are prepared to wait until they have sorted things out (but that may be after 2020 LOL  )

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/oct/01/smart-meter-energy-saving-revolution-cut-bills-gas-electricity
« Last Edit: April 13, 2017, 05:26:31 PM by culzean »
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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2017, 03:03:18 PM »
Some weeks back I received a letter from EDF who stated that because I owed them 122 my D/D was going up by 35 per month.
I checked my bank statements and looked at payment dates for my D/D.  Their claim that I owed this money was based on my account 5 days prior to my monthly  D/D payment being made. This payment put me in the black.
Now, they used to have a yearly review and every year they have had a letter from me informing them that any outstanding balance would be settled immediately. Each year  they have accepted this. In about 4 yrs I have only had to do this once. This latest caper was a 6 monthly assessment. So I wrote to EDF expressing my displeasure. A week after I received an acknowledgement, still waiting for a proper reply.
Perhaps me sending a copy of the letter to OFGEN who can't intercede might have upset EDF. The reason I am really pigged about all this is I received a letter to tell me they were only going to read the meter every 6 mths. Then I had the letter re the above based on an estimate which was well after the time allotted. Also states in their blurb that no revisions would be done without a meter reading either by them or by me.
Do these people make it up as they go along? As to smart meters no reply to my questions. I know Hinckley Point is going to cost some but I do not see why we should subsidise EDF's parent company in France ( which is subsidised by the French government).  The trouble with getting old and having time on our hands is we all become Victor Meldrews. I now understand EDF is increasing their prices again, we have only just had one increase.

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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2017, 03:58:05 PM »
In the past I have had arguments with both NPower and BG about DD payments. About 12 years ago was with BG and out of the blue they raised my DD from 60 to over 100 P/M which would have meant a surplus of many 100's of pounds by end of year - I wrote them emails and letters asking them to check and gave them 3 weeks to get back to me otherwise I was leaving, they did not reply and I changed to NPower,  a week later a letter arrived from BG saying their accounts dept had made a mistake and did I want to stay with them - (fat chance).   NPower did something similar after I had been with them for a few years so I moved to Cooperative energy about 5 years ago - as well as saving about 400 a year their DD was spot on and needed hardly any adjustment for years,  they wrote to me recently to apologise for putting my dual fuel DD up by 3 PM,  what a difference in attitude to the members of 'big 6 energy supplier mafia cartel'.
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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2017, 10:54:57 AM »
I am very grateful for the opportunity to rip one off but I did think I had gone too far with this one. I therefore grateful to Culzean for his input.
Yesterday, I went onto U switch to get some idea of what is available. Four attempts and each occasion it told me that EDF did not have a D/D account for my supply. The old conspiracy theory pops into my fuddled brain!!!!
Therefore not only has Culzean made me feel that I am not a two headed monster but has given me an idea re the COOP. Perhaps they might be able to reduce the 30 plus a week I pay EDF for an all electric 600 sq ft bungalow. I know it's not helped by the necessity to have a de humidifier running 24/7 to keep the humidity with  very limited parameters.

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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2017, 12:12:43 PM »
I know it's not helped by the necessity to have a de humidifier running 24/7 to keep the humidity with  very limited parameters.

Having a dehumidifier can save your heating bills because they keep the air drier (and dry air takes less to heat) keeps the insulation and plasterboard in your home dry (dry insulation is better insulation) , clothes drying bills (put clothes on a drying rack in same room as dehumidifier and a couple of hours they are dry at fraction of cost of a tumble drier energy)and also the de-humidifier puts heat back into the room both from the motor and the energy it gets from condensing moisture. A big bonus is that the whole house feels fresher and no more soggy towels in the bathroom,  also bedding stays crisper and nicer feeling.   We have had a dehumidifier for about 15 years ( i got one to control allergy to dust mites as the little b#ggers can't breed if house is kept dry) and wouldn't be without one, you can use the collected water in your steam iron or washing the car (it is distilled water).

I have been very happy with Cooperative Energy,  a breath of fresh air after the other crooks.
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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2017, 08:41:29 PM »
I've been with Ovo for the past three years and they have given good service and competitive pricing. They also pay interest on any credit balance https://www.ovoenergy.com/ovo-answers/topics/payments-and-statements/ovo-interest-reward/what-is-the-ovo-interest-reward.html. It's cheap money for them and pays much better than having the money sitting in my bank account so I've been maintaining a credit balance of several hundred s as a fund ready for a rise in energy costs. The credit built up during the first year when I was paying the same amount as to my previous supplier.

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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2017, 02:47:20 PM »
I know there has been a slight deviation from smart meters but electricity supply and cost is associated.
I managed to get U switch to respond and quite honestly it gave me a bit of a fright.
According to them EDF's charges for Kwh are going up again  to 23p, this is what the PM ( although it hasn't had much reporting) has had a go about. EDF have just increased to nearly 19p so another 3 +p will increase my yearly bill by some 400. This is what U switch came up with. What really pigs me orf is that scrolling down on good old Google was one for a Daily Mirror special deal. Unfortunately it is now closed BUT WHO WAS SUPPLYING THE DEAL  EDF.
Perhaps ( pigs might fly) that when the dust settles over BREXIT we can as a nation start kicking all these foreign firms out and return our industry etc to home rule. I also read that there has been a large increase in applications for Irish passports from Northern Island and GB.
There that will start something off.

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Re: Smart Meters
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2017, 07:06:56 PM »
I've been with Ovo for the past three years and they have given good service and competitive pricing. They also pay interest on any credit balance https://www.ovoenergy.com/ovo-answers/topics/payments-and-statements/ovo-interest-reward/what-is-the-ovo-interest-reward.html. It's cheap money for them and pays much better than having the money sitting in my bank account so I've been maintaining a credit balance of several hundred s as a fund ready for a rise in energy costs. The credit built up during the first year when I was paying the same amount as to my previous supplier.

Me too John, their service and prices have been very competitive with monthly reminders for meter readings.

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